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I don't think they believe its a hoax. A lot of it is also hoping someone else will solve the problem for them. Or because climate change hasn't dramatically

I don't think they believe its a hoax. A lot of it is also hoping someone else will solve the problem for them. Or because climate change hasn't dramatically changed their normal lives yet that forces them for action. People are not really good at preventing problems, hence why history tends to repeat itself.

Loughla 3y ago
No, many people believe it's a hoax. Either from our government (for control) or China (for money and control) or some other sort of total world government (for control).
jfengel 3y ago
I cannot vouch for what is going on in their heads. But they tell pollsters it's a hoax. They vote for politicians who say explicitly that it's a hoax. They tell each other, and everybody else, that it's a hoax on social media. Maybe deep in their hearts somewhere they don't believe it, but it's so deep that it's impossible to locate.
- blunderchief 3y ago
  I can speak to this, at least anecdotally. Some of my family are conspiratorial thinkers, trumpy types. They’re in Texas, where the power grid is continuing to slowly buckle, and they will happily agree it’s hotter than it used to be, even getting too hot. They also agree that pollution is bad. But they simply don’t connect the two. They don’t think we can possibly be the sole reason for climate change, but why they think that is fluid — it’s gods creation and we can’t mess with that. Or if we can it doesn’t matter because we’re destined for a heavenly kingdom and this planet will pass away. Or they say more “grounded” things like we’re getting closer to the sun or the sun itself is hotter. Or they buy into the idea for a while that it’s just a natural oscillation. We’re actually headed towards an ice age! My theory is they’re inconsistent because they do accept it, but accepting it means they have to understand consciously that shit is bleak and it makes all the work they’ve done in their lives potentially meaningless. They don’t want to face the reckoning of disillusionment so they close their eyes to it. Or maybe they just don’t believe it. I don’t know, I’m not in their brains.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
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- simbolit 3y ago
  "I am physically and mentally capable of reading each of the words in this [comment], in sequence, and I understand every one of them having either learned them in school or from context at some point in my life. And yet when I attempt to, an overwhelming feeling of stupidity envelopes me." --You, two days ago. I know my comment won't likely change your mind, but given your "start listening to the skeptics" stance, perhaps this is a tiny impulse. Genuinely hope you get better.
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    Yes, please take my words out of context to show how principled a debater and how correct you are in all things. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I believe it's the very first bullet point in the leftoidy new book titled "Fallacies to Win With" published just a few weeks ago. > I know my comment won't likely change your mind You make no real argument. You didn't dispute any of my points. You didn't even attempt to show how good your character or judgement were, so that I might respect you as a person and maybe defer to your own judgement. You might have preached over-caution, which isn't fundamentally flawed as a concept, often just too expensive to consider. No, you dug into the comment history, quoted something without even giving a hint what it was about. Of course you won't change my mind. Minds should only be changed carefully, after new information is presented, or a new way of thinking about difficult problems is illustrated. > your "start listening to the skeptics" stance, perhaps this is a tiny impulse. In what sort of delirious fever dream do you imagine yourself on the side of the skeptics?
    - simbolit 3y ago
      > new book titled "Fallacies to Win With" Couldn't find anything with that title. Care to give me a link or ISBN or something? > the side of the skeptics is there a "mainstream" side and a "skeptics" side? is there only one skeptic side? is it possible to be a skeptic of a non-mainstream opinion? is it possible to be skeptic of what you write, even though you are skeptic of the mainstream opinion? > delirious fever dream I actually just took my temperature, it's 36.3 - make of that what you will. Or don't.
LorenPechtel 3y ago
The basic problem here is that people prefer to hear positive news. "It's a hoax" is a lot more palatable than "It's a serious problem that requires major action to be taken." Denying the problem is much easier and they'll do some substantial mental gymnastics to avoid having to take the hard path.
Paul-Craft 3y ago
Oh, they do. 14% of American believe the Earth literally is not getting warmer. Another 26% believe it is getting warmer, but due mostly to natural weather patterns and not human activity. 11% of people believe the US federal government should literally not be doing anything about climate change. The article I'm getting these numbers from literally uses the word "hoax" several times: https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/08/09/why-some-americans-do-not-see-urgency-on-climate-change/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/08/09/why-some-amer...

Loughla 3y ago

No, many people believe it's a hoax. Either from our government (for control) or China (for money and control) or some other sort of total world government (for control).

jfengel 3y ago

I cannot vouch for what is going on in their heads. But they tell pollsters it's a hoax. They vote for politicians who say explicitly that it's a hoax. They tell each other, and everybody else, that it's a hoax on social media. Maybe deep in their hearts somewhere they don't believe it, but it's so deep that it's impossible to locate.

blunderchief 3y ago
I can speak to this, at least anecdotally. Some of my family are conspiratorial thinkers, trumpy types. They’re in Texas, where the power grid is continuing to slowly buckle, and they will happily agree it’s hotter than it used to be, even getting too hot. They also agree that pollution is bad. But they simply don’t connect the two. They don’t think we can possibly be the sole reason for climate change, but why they think that is fluid — it’s gods creation and we can’t mess with that. Or if we can it doesn’t matter because we’re destined for a heavenly kingdom and this planet will pass away. Or they say more “grounded” things like we’re getting closer to the sun or the sun itself is hotter. Or they buy into the idea for a while that it’s just a natural oscillation. We’re actually headed towards an ice age! My theory is they’re inconsistent because they do accept it, but accepting it means they have to understand consciously that shit is bleak and it makes all the work they’ve done in their lives potentially meaningless. They don’t want to face the reckoning of disillusionment so they close their eyes to it. Or maybe they just don’t believe it. I don’t know, I’m not in their brains.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

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simbolit 3y ago
"I am physically and mentally capable of reading each of the words in this [comment], in sequence, and I understand every one of them having either learned them in school or from context at some point in my life. And yet when I attempt to, an overwhelming feeling of stupidity envelopes me." --You, two days ago. I know my comment won't likely change your mind, but given your "start listening to the skeptics" stance, perhaps this is a tiny impulse. Genuinely hope you get better.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Yes, please take my words out of context to show how principled a debater and how correct you are in all things. There is nothing wrong with that at all. I believe it's the very first bullet point in the leftoidy new book titled "Fallacies to Win With" published just a few weeks ago. > I know my comment won't likely change your mind You make no real argument. You didn't dispute any of my points. You didn't even attempt to show how good your character or judgement were, so that I might respect you as a person and maybe defer to your own judgement. You might have preached over-caution, which isn't fundamentally flawed as a concept, often just too expensive to consider. No, you dug into the comment history, quoted something without even giving a hint what it was about. Of course you won't change my mind. Minds should only be changed carefully, after new information is presented, or a new way of thinking about difficult problems is illustrated. > your "start listening to the skeptics" stance, perhaps this is a tiny impulse. In what sort of delirious fever dream do you imagine yourself on the side of the skeptics?
  - simbolit 3y ago
    > new book titled "Fallacies to Win With" Couldn't find anything with that title. Care to give me a link or ISBN or something? > the side of the skeptics is there a "mainstream" side and a "skeptics" side? is there only one skeptic side? is it possible to be a skeptic of a non-mainstream opinion? is it possible to be skeptic of what you write, even though you are skeptic of the mainstream opinion? > delirious fever dream I actually just took my temperature, it's 36.3 - make of that what you will. Or don't.

LorenPechtel 3y ago

The basic problem here is that people prefer to hear positive news. "It's a hoax" is a lot more palatable than "It's a serious problem that requires major action to be taken." Denying the problem is much easier and they'll do some substantial mental gymnastics to avoid having to take the hard path.

Paul-Craft 3y ago

Oh, they do. 14% of American believe the Earth literally is not getting warmer. Another 26% believe it is getting warmer, but due mostly to natural weather patterns and not human activity. 11% of people believe the US federal government should literally not be doing anything about climate change. The article I'm getting these numbers from literally uses the word "hoax" several times: https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/08/09/why-some-americans-do-not-see-urgency-on-climate-change/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/08/09/why-some-amer...