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> I think climate scientists (and journalists) are underestimating people. If you treat people like children who can’t handle the truth, they will behave like c

by V__ 3y ago

> I think climate scientists (and journalists) are underestimating people. If you treat people like children who can’t handle the truth, they will behave like children. He should get outside right now and ask a few people about the topic. People ignore the truth, don't care or are actively working against it because it is a Chinese hoax.

plagiarist 3y ago
I wish journalists were underestimating people. They have just reached an integrity bankruptcy where they run press releases instead of articles. The truth is readily available on demand and large numbers of people still behave like children.
- ImAnAmateur 3y ago
  It's the age of mis-information. False things and lies are also available on demand. People have to decide what is true and who to listen to. That's not easy.
kelseyfrog 3y ago
The idea that it's a Chinese hoax is actually a Russian hoax.
- lawlessone 3y ago
  Can't have people not buying all that fuel..
b59831 3y ago
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hitsurume 3y ago
I don't think they believe its a hoax. A lot of it is also hoping someone else will solve the problem for them. Or because climate change hasn't dramatically changed their normal lives yet that forces them for action. People are not really good at preventing problems, hence why history tends to repeat itself.
- Loughla 3y ago
  No, many people believe it's a hoax. Either from our government (for control) or China (for money and control) or some other sort of total world government (for control).
- jfengel 3y ago
  I cannot vouch for what is going on in their heads. But they tell pollsters it's a hoax. They vote for politicians who say explicitly that it's a hoax. They tell each other, and everybody else, that it's a hoax on social media. Maybe deep in their hearts somewhere they don't believe it, but it's so deep that it's impossible to locate.
  - blunderchief 3y ago
    I can speak to this, at least anecdotally. Some of my family are conspiratorial thinkers, trumpy types. They’re in Texas, where the power grid is continuing to slowly buckle, and they will happily agree it’s hotter than it used to be, even getting too hot. They also agree that pollution is bad. But they simply don’t connect the two. They don’t think we can possibly be the sole reason for climate change, but why they think that is fluid — it’s gods creation and we can’t mess with that. Or if we can it doesn’t matter because we’re destined for a heavenly kingdom and this planet will pass away. Or they say more “grounded” things like we’re getting closer to the sun or the sun itself is hotter. Or they buy into the idea for a while that it’s just a natural oscillation. We’re actually headed towards an ice age! My theory is they’re inconsistent because they do accept it, but accepting it means they have to understand consciously that shit is bleak and it makes all the work they’ve done in their lives potentially meaningless. They don’t want to face the reckoning of disillusionment so they close their eyes to it. Or maybe they just don’t believe it. I don’t know, I’m not in their brains.
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
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  - simbolit 3y ago
theduder99 3y ago
yep, the older you are the better you see through this nonsense. first it was global cooling - fail, then global warming - fail, now climate change which is a mighty convenient catch-all term to be used to justify whatever fake solution is being proposed.
- simbolit 3y ago
  Peterson et Al (2008) The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Consensus Abstract: There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming dominated the peer-reviewed literature even then. Source: https://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/11584/1/2008bams2370%252E1.pdf https://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/11584/1/2008bams2370%252E1...
- lawlessone 3y ago
  > yep, the older you are the better you see through this nonsense. older people by and large make up the largest proportion of victims to online scams.
  - peteradio 3y ago
    young people are too poor to be worth scamming, take that boomer
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> People ignore the truth, don't care or are actively working against it because it is a Chinese hoax. It's far easier to convince people that it's a hoax when the scientists say things that aren't strictly true -- because they they get to debunk your minor exaggeration, which discredits you, and makes people more willing to believe the people who claim you're full of crap about everything. When you see dishonest people succeeding, the conclusion to draw is that we need to redouble our efforts to fight dishonesty, not that dishonesty is an effective strategy that everyone should adopt. The latter destroys anyone's ability to even know who is right, and who does that benefit?
- LorenPechtel 3y ago
  Most everything getting debunked is from reporters, not scientists.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    That's not really surprising, but you need the reporters to be honest too unless you expect the public to get the information directly from the scientists. Otherwise the reporters who agree with you discredit themselves so no one believes them anymore and the adversarial reporters continue to be adversarial.
    - LorenPechtel 3y ago
      It's not that they are dishonest, it's that they don't understand what they're talking about and errors slip in.
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        A lot of it is that they're dishonest, or lazy. How hard is it to give the scientist a draft of the story and have them confirm that you're not making an egregious error before publishing it?

by V__ 3y ago

plagiarist 3y ago

I wish journalists were underestimating people. They have just reached an integrity bankruptcy where they run press releases instead of articles. The truth is readily available on demand and large numbers of people still behave like children.

ImAnAmateur 3y ago
It's the age of mis-information. False things and lies are also available on demand. People have to decide what is true and who to listen to. That's not easy.

kelseyfrog 3y ago

The idea that it's a Chinese hoax is actually a Russian hoax.

lawlessone 3y ago
Can't have people not buying all that fuel..

b59831 3y ago

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hitsurume 3y ago

I don't think they believe its a hoax. A lot of it is also hoping someone else will solve the problem for them. Or because climate change hasn't dramatically changed their normal lives yet that forces them for action. People are not really good at preventing problems, hence why history tends to repeat itself.

Loughla 3y ago
No, many people believe it's a hoax. Either from our government (for control) or China (for money and control) or some other sort of total world government (for control).
jfengel 3y ago
I cannot vouch for what is going on in their heads. But they tell pollsters it's a hoax. They vote for politicians who say explicitly that it's a hoax. They tell each other, and everybody else, that it's a hoax on social media. Maybe deep in their hearts somewhere they don't believe it, but it's so deep that it's impossible to locate.
- blunderchief 3y ago
  I can speak to this, at least anecdotally. Some of my family are conspiratorial thinkers, trumpy types. They’re in Texas, where the power grid is continuing to slowly buckle, and they will happily agree it’s hotter than it used to be, even getting too hot. They also agree that pollution is bad. But they simply don’t connect the two. They don’t think we can possibly be the sole reason for climate change, but why they think that is fluid — it’s gods creation and we can’t mess with that. Or if we can it doesn’t matter because we’re destined for a heavenly kingdom and this planet will pass away. Or they say more “grounded” things like we’re getting closer to the sun or the sun itself is hotter. Or they buy into the idea for a while that it’s just a natural oscillation. We’re actually headed towards an ice age! My theory is they’re inconsistent because they do accept it, but accepting it means they have to understand consciously that shit is bleak and it makes all the work they’ve done in their lives potentially meaningless. They don’t want to face the reckoning of disillusionment so they close their eyes to it. Or maybe they just don’t believe it. I don’t know, I’m not in their brains.
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
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- simbolit 3y ago

theduder99 3y ago

yep, the older you are the better you see through this nonsense. first it was global cooling - fail, then global warming - fail, now climate change which is a mighty convenient catch-all term to be used to justify whatever fake solution is being proposed.

simbolit 3y ago
Peterson et Al (2008) The Myth of the 1970s Global Cooling Consensus Abstract: There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming dominated the peer-reviewed literature even then. Source: https://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/11584/1/2008bams2370%252E1.pdf https://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/11584/1/2008bams2370%252E1...
lawlessone 3y ago
> yep, the older you are the better you see through this nonsense. older people by and large make up the largest proportion of victims to online scams.
- peteradio 3y ago
  young people are too poor to be worth scamming, take that boomer

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> People ignore the truth, don't care or are actively working against it because it is a Chinese hoax. It's far easier to convince people that it's a hoax when the scientists say things that aren't strictly true -- because they they get to debunk your minor exaggeration, which discredits you, and makes people more willing to believe the people who claim you're full of crap about everything. When you see dishonest people succeeding, the conclusion to draw is that we need to redouble our efforts to fight dishonesty, not that dishonesty is an effective strategy that everyone should adopt. The latter destroys anyone's ability to even know who is right, and who does that benefit?

LorenPechtel 3y ago
Most everything getting debunked is from reporters, not scientists.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  That's not really surprising, but you need the reporters to be honest too unless you expect the public to get the information directly from the scientists. Otherwise the reporters who agree with you discredit themselves so no one believes them anymore and the adversarial reporters continue to be adversarial.
  - LorenPechtel 3y ago
    It's not that they are dishonest, it's that they don't understand what they're talking about and errors slip in.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      A lot of it is that they're dishonest, or lazy. How hard is it to give the scientist a draft of the story and have them confirm that you're not making an egregious error before publishing it?