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You're right about oral examinations, but written _proctored_ exams would also solve a lot of these problems, particularly if you require it to be handwritten.

by slaymaker1907 3y ago

You're right about oral examinations, but written _proctored_ exams would also solve a lot of these problems, particularly if you require it to be handwritten. Having take home essays be handwritten would also help deter using AI by making it much more inconvenient to use compared to just doing the assignment in the first place.

sho_hn 3y ago
And these days, we can even rely on AI to parse the illegible handwriting!
amalcon 3y ago
I went to high school (secondary school) back when it was pretty normal to forbid students from typing assignments because "not everyone has a computer". I happen to be personally responsible, via my terrible handwriting, for at least two teachers dropping that policy. At least one other just gave me a specific exception in the name of "accessibility".
- devilbunny 3y ago
  A student a year ahead of me had atrocious handwriting. They allowed him to type up his AP tests after the answer period and included the typewritten sheets along with his handwritten booklet (so the graders could confirm he hadn’t altered his answers).
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  They did for me as well (dysgraphia is the technical word). They made me practice handwriting after class and I think all the times I resultingly burst into tears because my wrist hurt made them take pity on me. For how much schools talk about how useful handwriting is at memorisation and such - I seldom see anybody in the working world pulling out some paper and handwriting notes. Schools seem to care more about teaching you to pass closed-book tests than they do about teaching you useful skills like how to create high quality, organised, and searchable notes.
xena 3y ago
The kids have already made workarounds: https://youtube.com/shorts/Xt0VjT_zLZE https://youtube.com/shorts/Xt0VjT_zLZE
- rightbyte 3y ago
  Does not seem very subtle? "Proctored" means supervised.
- dan-robertson 3y ago
  How are they taking that thing into a written proctored examination?
- slaymaker1907 3y ago
  That's a workaround for requiring homework to be handwritten, but I think it's not a big deal since there's already a workaround of just writing whatever ChatGPT spits out. That is why I mentioned it only as a deterrent against using ChatGPT for plagiarism. Such a solution doesn't compromise proctored exams at all.
NovemberWhiskey 3y ago
Literally 100% of my degree's classification was determined in eight, three-hour exams taken in a big hall with everyone else and in handwritten response form.
Ekaros 3y ago
Going back to handwritten exams might be a solution. It is known to scale well and there is still enough expertise running them on this level left. Having locked down thin-clients does not scale well enough to these sizes. Specially when there is usually multiple concurrent exams running at same time. On small scale it could be solution. A screen, keyboard and mouse with locked down thin client and simple editor.

sho_hn 3y ago

And these days, we can even rely on AI to parse the illegible handwriting!

amalcon 3y ago

I went to high school (secondary school) back when it was pretty normal to forbid students from typing assignments because "not everyone has a computer". I happen to be personally responsible, via my terrible handwriting, for at least two teachers dropping that policy. At least one other just gave me a specific exception in the name of "accessibility".

devilbunny 3y ago
A student a year ahead of me had atrocious handwriting. They allowed him to type up his AP tests after the answer period and included the typewritten sheets along with his handwritten booklet (so the graders could confirm he hadn’t altered his answers).
faeriechangling 3y ago
They did for me as well (dysgraphia is the technical word). They made me practice handwriting after class and I think all the times I resultingly burst into tears because my wrist hurt made them take pity on me. For how much schools talk about how useful handwriting is at memorisation and such - I seldom see anybody in the working world pulling out some paper and handwriting notes. Schools seem to care more about teaching you to pass closed-book tests than they do about teaching you useful skills like how to create high quality, organised, and searchable notes.

xena 3y ago

The kids have already made workarounds: https://youtube.com/shorts/Xt0VjT_zLZE https://youtube.com/shorts/Xt0VjT_zLZE

rightbyte 3y ago
Does not seem very subtle? "Proctored" means supervised.
dan-robertson 3y ago
How are they taking that thing into a written proctored examination?
slaymaker1907 3y ago
That's a workaround for requiring homework to be handwritten, but I think it's not a big deal since there's already a workaround of just writing whatever ChatGPT spits out. That is why I mentioned it only as a deterrent against using ChatGPT for plagiarism. Such a solution doesn't compromise proctored exams at all.

NovemberWhiskey 3y ago

Literally 100% of my degree's classification was determined in eight, three-hour exams taken in a big hall with everyone else and in handwritten response form.

Ekaros 3y ago

Going back to handwritten exams might be a solution. It is known to scale well and there is still enough expertise running them on this level left. Having locked down thin-clients does not scale well enough to these sizes. Specially when there is usually multiple concurrent exams running at same time. On small scale it could be solution. A screen, keyboard and mouse with locked down thin client and simple editor.