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That reminds me of another: the butter churn. For the first time many women produced a product that allowed them to leave the house and earn money that’s not as

That reminds me of another: the butter churn. For the first time many women produced a product that allowed them to leave the house and earn money that’s not associated with their partner. The butter churn was a huge step towards women’s liberation and was seen as hugely fashionable. Marie Antoinette had a creamery built so she could imitate this hugely popular activity. > A woman can choose to decouple having sex with getting pregnant. Minor point: Unless that act is criminalized or mad illegal or otherwise inaccessible. I think you’re right that many technologies do provide choice. My interpretation is that when the choice is “live easier” or “go faster” it’s not really a choice.

Izkata 3y ago
> > A woman can choose to decouple having sex with getting pregnant. > Minor point: Unless that act is criminalized or mad illegal or otherwise inaccessible. Who is trying to make condoms illegal?
- acwan93 3y ago
  The Catholic church has tried: >On New Year's Eve 1930, the Roman Catholic Church officially banned any "artificial" means of birth control. Condoms, diaphragms and cervical caps were defined as artificial, since they blocked the natural journey of sperm during intercourse. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-catholic-church-and-birth-control/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-ca...
  - schneems 3y ago
    The reason we know that infants can die when they’re not held is because of a law that made both abortion and birth control illegal. A truly gruesome lesson learned in the most awful of ways. Romania Decree 770 Happened in 1967 and is the stuff of nightmares.
- starttoaster 3y ago
  > > > A woman can choose to decouple having sex with getting pregnant. > > Minor point: Unless that act is criminalized or mad illegal or otherwise inaccessible > Who is trying to make condoms illegal? It would seem fairly obvious to me that the original poster of that comment was referring to either abortions or the morning after pill, not condoms. A condom would be a man choosing to decouple sex with having a baby, and I suppose an argument could be made that it's both partners' choice (by proxy of the consent from the woman.) And I suppose another argument could be made that there are condoms that women wear, but those generally seem to not be recommended compared to the male-worn variety. Not that this is an important distinction. I just thought it a stretch that they were talking about condoms and you took it there.
  - Izkata 3y ago
    > I just thought it a stretch that they were talking about condoms and you took it there. I was actually confused because if we're talking technological advancement, then abortions don't count. They're ancient.
    - starttoaster 3y ago
      I mean, there has been significant advancement in abortion procedures since ancient times. Including a non-invasive pill option if you catch the pregnancy early enough. And yes, those pills are colloquially called the abortion pill.
- schneems 3y ago
  I think you meant that question to be rhetorical and a hyperbole. However, I live in a deeply conservative state where education like “condoms exist, if you use them you will prevent pregnancy and disease” is somehow a very disturbing topic to them, and a large number of people spend a lot of money, time, and effort to remove such education from public education. I wish this was hyperbole. It is unfortunately very “normal” Texas politics. The larger point I was trying to make is that technology alone doesn’t dictate our choices and behaviors. Laurence Lessig (Code 2.0) points out four main areas: legal, market, norms, and architecture (technology or code falls into this one). Even if a technology makes something possible (architecture) people can prevent its adoption via other mechanisms. In this case, by using the law and trying to sway public opinion (norms).

Izkata 3y ago

> > A woman can choose to decouple having sex with getting pregnant. > Minor point: Unless that act is criminalized or mad illegal or otherwise inaccessible. Who is trying to make condoms illegal?

acwan93 3y ago
The Catholic church has tried: >On New Year's Eve 1930, the Roman Catholic Church officially banned any "artificial" means of birth control. Condoms, diaphragms and cervical caps were defined as artificial, since they blocked the natural journey of sperm during intercourse. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-catholic-church-and-birth-control/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/pill-ca...
- schneems 3y ago
  The reason we know that infants can die when they’re not held is because of a law that made both abortion and birth control illegal. A truly gruesome lesson learned in the most awful of ways. Romania Decree 770 Happened in 1967 and is the stuff of nightmares.
starttoaster 3y ago
> > > A woman can choose to decouple having sex with getting pregnant. > > Minor point: Unless that act is criminalized or mad illegal or otherwise inaccessible > Who is trying to make condoms illegal? It would seem fairly obvious to me that the original poster of that comment was referring to either abortions or the morning after pill, not condoms. A condom would be a man choosing to decouple sex with having a baby, and I suppose an argument could be made that it's both partners' choice (by proxy of the consent from the woman.) And I suppose another argument could be made that there are condoms that women wear, but those generally seem to not be recommended compared to the male-worn variety. Not that this is an important distinction. I just thought it a stretch that they were talking about condoms and you took it there.
- Izkata 3y ago
  > I just thought it a stretch that they were talking about condoms and you took it there. I was actually confused because if we're talking technological advancement, then abortions don't count. They're ancient.
  - starttoaster 3y ago
    I mean, there has been significant advancement in abortion procedures since ancient times. Including a non-invasive pill option if you catch the pregnancy early enough. And yes, those pills are colloquially called the abortion pill.
schneems 3y ago
I think you meant that question to be rhetorical and a hyperbole. However, I live in a deeply conservative state where education like “condoms exist, if you use them you will prevent pregnancy and disease” is somehow a very disturbing topic to them, and a large number of people spend a lot of money, time, and effort to remove such education from public education. I wish this was hyperbole. It is unfortunately very “normal” Texas politics. The larger point I was trying to make is that technology alone doesn’t dictate our choices and behaviors. Laurence Lessig (Code 2.0) points out four main areas: legal, market, norms, and architecture (technology or code falls into this one). Even if a technology makes something possible (architecture) people can prevent its adoption via other mechanisms. In this case, by using the law and trying to sway public opinion (norms).