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I mean it isn't just minimalism. It makes waterproofing way easier and allows for sturdier construction in a smaller device when getting said device apart again

I mean it isn't just minimalism. It makes waterproofing way easier and allows for sturdier construction in a smaller device when getting said device apart again isn't really a priority. Also who in the world needs all this replacement batteries anyway? I'm still rocking a 13 Pro purchased when new, I have no plans to upgrade and my battery is bloody fine. I still end every day with a good 40% charge at minimum and I'm an app developer, so I'm on my phone for a good solid portion of every day. And prior to this one I had an X which not only didn't have any major battery issues but my wife still used it for another year after I bought my 13, and then, near the tail end of her ownership, STARTED having some battery problems. At the end of year 4 of service as a daily driver.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> Also who in the world needs all this replacement batteries anyway? Really?? I get that you personally may not see a need for this, but it takes special kind of blinders to pretend that your experience is universal. Tons of people want replaceable batteries. You're welcome to talk to the iFixit folks if you need more evidence.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  My question wasn't do people want replacement batteries, they clearly do. My question is why they need them? I don't understand how one person's experience with a battery can be so much different than anothers. I would think, if anything, my usage of my phones in my day to day work would mean I'd be harder on phones than most people, not apparently easier.
  - rat9988 3y ago
    In a world where Apple slows down your phone when battery is worn out and considers it fair. It should be fair too to have the ability to replace it.
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    Can't comment on the details of your experience, but both my Pixel phones and iPhones (albeit earlier gen iPhones) all had significant, noticeable battery degradation between years 2 and 3.
  - wffurr 3y ago
    What I really want is to be able to replace my battery when it's worn after after years of usage by undoing some screws and fiddling with a gasket. Trying to melt a ton of glue and pull out a glued-in battery without starting a fire is incredibly difficult and unnecessary.
    - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
      Is it? Do you know that for a fact? Because while admittedly I've not designed a phone, I've owned and used many things that used screws and gaskets to provide protection from water ingress, and those things rarely survived full submersion which is what is offered currently on the iPhone (and has been for some time.) The other day I got in my hot tub after a stressful day of work only to realize my phone was still in my damn pocket, and while I had to take the case off for a bit and let everything air dry, apart from that I walked away from that totally consequence free. I'm not opposed on principle to people having the option of repairability vs the sleek lines and watertightedness glue assemblies offer, that's completely fine. I just feel the need to push back on this narrative that's gotten so much traction here. There are a LOT of advantages to how newer phones are built that have nothing to do with forcing you over a barrel for maintenance costs, though I'm sure the suits are just fine with it if they do.
Night_Thastus 3y ago
See, you made a good point at first and then ruined it. You are absolutely right about the benefits, but: >who in the world needs all this replacement batteries anyway >I'm still rocking a 13 Pro purchased when new Congratulations, your phone with a whopping 2-years of age still has a good battery. (Though I'm not sure losing 60% a day is really great imo...) Try living in a world where a $300 phone is a big expense, and now it barely lasts a day when it used to last a week. 1: Some people have phones that are just fine, but have a dying battery. Replacing an otherwise perfectly functional phone just because the battery is going is massive e-waste. 2: Not everyone can afford constantly replacing their ever-more-expensive phones just because the battery died. Even if they can, it's a really wasteful use of money. Consumers should have the choice. They can get a product with some compromises, but a replaceable battery - or a potentially more durable, more waterproof phone without one. Of course they don't bother because the demand is a vocal minority. Most people don't care. But the e-waste effects everyone so something does need to be done.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Or you could just pay $70 for Apple or an authorized dealer to replace the battery after three years. Those same users don’t have to buy a $300 phone - which by the way is more than the average selling price of an Android phone - there are plenty of unsubsidized Android phones for less than $100.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  > Congratulations, your phone with a whopping 2-years of age still has a good battery. (Though I'm not sure losing 60% a day is really great imo...) Well again, I spend a lot of my day with my phone on and being used to do my job. And I also use it plenty for bathroom breaks, screwing around between tasks, the usual stuff. In my mind, running like that for 16 hours per day and still having 2/5th's in the tank is pretty good. > Try living in a world where a $300 phone is a big expense, and now it barely lasts a day when it used to last a week. I have never owned any smartphone that lasted even close to a week. When I was younger, my droid would occasionally go a couple of days between charges, if I was particularly busy and therefore not using it. I don't think I've owned a phone I haven't charged overnight since... gotta be like 2011? > 1: Some people have phones that are just fine, but have a dying battery. Replacing an otherwise perfectly functional phone just because the battery is going is massive e-waste. But again that's what my question is getting at and what I'm trying to understand: how are people frying out their batteries like they are?
callalex 3y ago
Battery degradation is not linear. They tend to be fine until they fall off a cliff at the 2-3 year mark. You just haven’t gotten there yet.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

> Also who in the world needs all this replacement batteries anyway? Really?? I get that you personally may not see a need for this, but it takes special kind of blinders to pretend that your experience is universal. Tons of people want replaceable batteries. You're welcome to talk to the iFixit folks if you need more evidence.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
My question wasn't do people want replacement batteries, they clearly do. My question is why they need them? I don't understand how one person's experience with a battery can be so much different than anothers. I would think, if anything, my usage of my phones in my day to day work would mean I'd be harder on phones than most people, not apparently easier.
- rat9988 3y ago
  In a world where Apple slows down your phone when battery is worn out and considers it fair. It should be fair too to have the ability to replace it.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Can't comment on the details of your experience, but both my Pixel phones and iPhones (albeit earlier gen iPhones) all had significant, noticeable battery degradation between years 2 and 3.
- wffurr 3y ago
  What I really want is to be able to replace my battery when it's worn after after years of usage by undoing some screws and fiddling with a gasket. Trying to melt a ton of glue and pull out a glued-in battery without starting a fire is incredibly difficult and unnecessary.
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    Is it? Do you know that for a fact? Because while admittedly I've not designed a phone, I've owned and used many things that used screws and gaskets to provide protection from water ingress, and those things rarely survived full submersion which is what is offered currently on the iPhone (and has been for some time.) The other day I got in my hot tub after a stressful day of work only to realize my phone was still in my damn pocket, and while I had to take the case off for a bit and let everything air dry, apart from that I walked away from that totally consequence free. I'm not opposed on principle to people having the option of repairability vs the sleek lines and watertightedness glue assemblies offer, that's completely fine. I just feel the need to push back on this narrative that's gotten so much traction here. There are a LOT of advantages to how newer phones are built that have nothing to do with forcing you over a barrel for maintenance costs, though I'm sure the suits are just fine with it if they do.

Night_Thastus 3y ago

See, you made a good point at first and then ruined it. You are absolutely right about the benefits, but: >who in the world needs all this replacement batteries anyway >I'm still rocking a 13 Pro purchased when new Congratulations, your phone with a whopping 2-years of age still has a good battery. (Though I'm not sure losing 60% a day is really great imo...) Try living in a world where a $300 phone is a big expense, and now it barely lasts a day when it used to last a week. 1: Some people have phones that are just fine, but have a dying battery. Replacing an otherwise perfectly functional phone just because the battery is going is massive e-waste. 2: Not everyone can afford constantly replacing their ever-more-expensive phones just because the battery died. Even if they can, it's a really wasteful use of money. Consumers should have the choice. They can get a product with some compromises, but a replaceable battery - or a potentially more durable, more waterproof phone without one. Of course they don't bother because the demand is a vocal minority. Most people don't care. But the e-waste effects everyone so something does need to be done.

scarface_74 3y ago
Or you could just pay $70 for Apple or an authorized dealer to replace the battery after three years. Those same users don’t have to buy a $300 phone - which by the way is more than the average selling price of an Android phone - there are plenty of unsubsidized Android phones for less than $100.
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> Congratulations, your phone with a whopping 2-years of age still has a good battery. (Though I'm not sure losing 60% a day is really great imo...) Well again, I spend a lot of my day with my phone on and being used to do my job. And I also use it plenty for bathroom breaks, screwing around between tasks, the usual stuff. In my mind, running like that for 16 hours per day and still having 2/5th's in the tank is pretty good. > Try living in a world where a $300 phone is a big expense, and now it barely lasts a day when it used to last a week. I have never owned any smartphone that lasted even close to a week. When I was younger, my droid would occasionally go a couple of days between charges, if I was particularly busy and therefore not using it. I don't think I've owned a phone I haven't charged overnight since... gotta be like 2011? > 1: Some people have phones that are just fine, but have a dying battery. Replacing an otherwise perfectly functional phone just because the battery is going is massive e-waste. But again that's what my question is getting at and what I'm trying to understand: how are people frying out their batteries like they are?

callalex 3y ago

Battery degradation is not linear. They tend to be fine until they fall off a cliff at the 2-3 year mark. You just haven’t gotten there yet.