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I know I should respect the hustle, but hard to respect a middleman adding 0 value to the process. I also love how they softened his side hustle by fitting "he

by gnrlst 3y ago

I know I should respect the hustle, but hard to respect a middleman adding 0 value to the process. I also love how they softened his side hustle by fitting "helping make tickets more affordable" in the same sentence where he says he resells them at a higher markup.

srackey 3y ago
He actually is adding value. The pricing is way out of line with the real demand, causing a shortage. But bands/venues don’t want to set ticket price at market price because it will make them look bad. Scalpers take the reputation hit in exchange for setting tickets prices such that anyone who wants to pay market price can get one. Scalping could be done away with, but only by setting pricing at market value, which many are reluctant to do. Hence, it will remain.
- verdverm 3y ago
  > But bands/venues don’t want to set ticket price at market price because it will make them look bad. How exactly does the band or venue benefit from the scaled price increase? Are the scalpers given them some of their profits back? Otherwise, it seems they only get the price they set, and the scalpers get everything on top, besides Ticketmaster, who probably takes a fee twice... > Scalpers take the reputation hit in exchange for setting tickets prices such that anyone who wants to pay market price can get one. I've been priced out of concerts because scalpers took all the tickets and jacked the price out. What about people like me
  - srackey 3y ago
    You were never priced out, you just can’t afford the concert. The price they jacked it up to is the market price. The band or venue don’t benefit, the people who can now buy when they’re used to be a shortage do. It’s just arbitrage, being compensated for adding liquidity to the market.
    - verdverm 3y ago
      problem is, the scalpers run bots and take all the tickets before someone like me can make a purchase, then they jack up the price there may be a "market", but it's not a healthy one, nor should there be one I want to do business with the band and venue, unfortunately, some grifters like the post want to abuse the system
- reaperman 3y ago
  They're not adding value, they're capturing value that was left on the table. Most of your points in these comments are correct, but for that core thesis. The scalpers aren't "solving a shortage", they're redistributing tickets. The same number of people get to go to the concert regardless of the existence of the scalper middleman. That's not adding value to the system -- it's not like rich people get any additional enjoyment from the concert than less-rich people get. There's no global increase in utility generated by the scalping. Adding value in a situation like this would be if Nvidia had actually priced their MSRP of GPU's to what scalpers were charging, and then reinvested that money into additional production, to actually solve the shortage by increasing supply.

by gnrlst 3y ago

srackey 3y ago

He actually is adding value. The pricing is way out of line with the real demand, causing a shortage. But bands/venues don’t want to set ticket price at market price because it will make them look bad. Scalpers take the reputation hit in exchange for setting tickets prices such that anyone who wants to pay market price can get one. Scalping could be done away with, but only by setting pricing at market value, which many are reluctant to do. Hence, it will remain.

verdverm 3y ago
> But bands/venues don’t want to set ticket price at market price because it will make them look bad. How exactly does the band or venue benefit from the scaled price increase? Are the scalpers given them some of their profits back? Otherwise, it seems they only get the price they set, and the scalpers get everything on top, besides Ticketmaster, who probably takes a fee twice... > Scalpers take the reputation hit in exchange for setting tickets prices such that anyone who wants to pay market price can get one. I've been priced out of concerts because scalpers took all the tickets and jacked the price out. What about people like me
- srackey 3y ago
  You were never priced out, you just can’t afford the concert. The price they jacked it up to is the market price. The band or venue don’t benefit, the people who can now buy when they’re used to be a shortage do. It’s just arbitrage, being compensated for adding liquidity to the market.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    problem is, the scalpers run bots and take all the tickets before someone like me can make a purchase, then they jack up the price there may be a "market", but it's not a healthy one, nor should there be one I want to do business with the band and venue, unfortunately, some grifters like the post want to abuse the system
reaperman 3y ago
They're not adding value, they're capturing value that was left on the table. Most of your points in these comments are correct, but for that core thesis. The scalpers aren't "solving a shortage", they're redistributing tickets. The same number of people get to go to the concert regardless of the existence of the scalper middleman. That's not adding value to the system -- it's not like rich people get any additional enjoyment from the concert than less-rich people get. There's no global increase in utility generated by the scalping. Adding value in a situation like this would be if Nvidia had actually priced their MSRP of GPU's to what scalpers were charging, and then reinvested that money into additional production, to actually solve the shortage by increasing supply.