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Now is as great a time as any to signal boost Penpot: https://penpot.app/ https://penpot.app/ Open technology always wins, and it's only a matter of time until

Now is as great a time as any to signal boost Penpot: https://penpot.app/ https://penpot.app/ Open technology always wins, and it's only a matter of time until Adobe-Figma fades out of relevance.

allenleee 3y ago
> Open technology always wins, and it's only a matter of time until Adobe-Figma fades out of relevance. While I am a proponent of open source technology, I don't fully agree that closed source tools like Figma are destined to become irrelevant. Figma gained popularity not simply because Sketch was closed source, but because it provided a better user experience and collaboration features that appealed to designers. Its editor runs in the browser, making it easily accessible, and the multiplayer editing capabilities make it easy for teams to work together. So while being open source can be advantageous in terms of extensibility, transparency, and community-driven development, it is not the sole factor that determines a tool's success. Great user experience and product-market fit are the reasons Figma won over users, not strictly because it was proprietary software.
chatmasta 3y ago
Not that I have anything against open technology (in fact I usually prefer it, with the caveat that I have a lot of respect for the quality of Figma and the talent of its founding team), but why should adding OpenAI as a subprocessor mark the death knell of Figma? It's not like Figma is an accounting platform for analyzing your financial statements, or a log processor for querying sensitive PII. It's a tool for creating mock-ups of products that will eventually be public. The worst risk would be one of trade secret theft (e.g. a breach at OpenAI revealing mock-ups of an upcoming product), which is one that most companies already tolerate quite leniently. And of those most secretive companies that don't tolerate that risk, how many of them are using Figma now to begin with? I suppose some companies may worry about implicitly providing their mock-ups to OpenAI for use in its training data. It would be nice if you could opt-out of this, and maybe you can. But the same arguments apply to this concern as do those to a general breach - if a company is worried about it then why use Figma in the first place? In fact as someone making mock-ups, I'd prefer that OpenAI train itself on my mock-ups, so that it gets better at making them for me.

Now is as great a time as any to signal boost Penpot: https://penpot.app/ https://penpot.app/ Open technology always wins, and it's only a matter of time until Adobe-Figma fades out of relevance.

allenleee 3y ago

> Open technology always wins, and it's only a matter of time until Adobe-Figma fades out of relevance. While I am a proponent of open source technology, I don't fully agree that closed source tools like Figma are destined to become irrelevant. Figma gained popularity not simply because Sketch was closed source, but because it provided a better user experience and collaboration features that appealed to designers. Its editor runs in the browser, making it easily accessible, and the multiplayer editing capabilities make it easy for teams to work together. So while being open source can be advantageous in terms of extensibility, transparency, and community-driven development, it is not the sole factor that determines a tool's success. Great user experience and product-market fit are the reasons Figma won over users, not strictly because it was proprietary software.

chatmasta 3y ago

Not that I have anything against open technology (in fact I usually prefer it, with the caveat that I have a lot of respect for the quality of Figma and the talent of its founding team), but why should adding OpenAI as a subprocessor mark the death knell of Figma? It's not like Figma is an accounting platform for analyzing your financial statements, or a log processor for querying sensitive PII. It's a tool for creating mock-ups of products that will eventually be public. The worst risk would be one of trade secret theft (e.g. a breach at OpenAI revealing mock-ups of an upcoming product), which is one that most companies already tolerate quite leniently. And of those most secretive companies that don't tolerate that risk, how many of them are using Figma now to begin with? I suppose some companies may worry about implicitly providing their mock-ups to OpenAI for use in its training data. It would be nice if you could opt-out of this, and maybe you can. But the same arguments apply to this concern as do those to a general breach - if a company is worried about it then why use Figma in the first place? In fact as someone making mock-ups, I'd prefer that OpenAI train itself on my mock-ups, so that it gets better at making them for me.