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You shouldn’t be using AI detectors. They aren’t accurate and other approaches to teaching need to be used instead of leaning on old methods: https://help.opena

You shouldn’t be using AI detectors. They aren’t accurate and other approaches to teaching need to be used instead of leaning on old methods: https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educators-respond-to-students-presenting-ai-generated-content-as-their-own https://help.openai.com/en/articles/8313351-how-can-educator...

paulddraper 3y ago
What are those "other approaches". Just in-person exams, right?
- danShumway 3y ago
  It's frustrating that I can't know for certain who's going to win the 2024 election, but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making a prediction based on a magic 8 ball. AI detectors don't work. If there aren't any other tools and methods that do detect AI, that genuinely stinks, it's a difficult problem. I definitely sympathize. But all the sympathizing in the world won't change the fact that AI detectors don't work. There are lots of unsolved problems in the world, and they don't justify putting weight behind non-solutions. I don't know how to cure Alzheimer's disease, but I know that a TV healer can't cure it, and if doctors started prescribing TV healers it would be medical malpractice. Similarly, I don't know how to tell if an essay was AI written... but neither do the AI detectors, and it is unethical for professors to rely on them to make decisions about plagiarism. When you have an unsolved problem and someone proposes a bad solution with bad consequences, what you end up with is the same unsolved problem, still unsolved, plus a newly created additional problem on top of it from your bad solution. You started with the problem of rampant plagiarism and cheating, now you have both a problem with rampant plagiarism and cheating, and a new problem with making baseless accusations of cheating against potentially honest students with no real evidence.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    That is perhaps longest possible way I've ever seen to say "I don't know"
    - danShumway 3y ago
      If that is really your only takeaway from what I wrote then I apologize that the comment didn't elaborate more.

paulddraper 3y ago

What are those "other approaches". Just in-person exams, right?

danShumway 3y ago
It's frustrating that I can't know for certain who's going to win the 2024 election, but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in making a prediction based on a magic 8 ball. AI detectors don't work. If there aren't any other tools and methods that do detect AI, that genuinely stinks, it's a difficult problem. I definitely sympathize. But all the sympathizing in the world won't change the fact that AI detectors don't work. There are lots of unsolved problems in the world, and they don't justify putting weight behind non-solutions. I don't know how to cure Alzheimer's disease, but I know that a TV healer can't cure it, and if doctors started prescribing TV healers it would be medical malpractice. Similarly, I don't know how to tell if an essay was AI written... but neither do the AI detectors, and it is unethical for professors to rely on them to make decisions about plagiarism. When you have an unsolved problem and someone proposes a bad solution with bad consequences, what you end up with is the same unsolved problem, still unsolved, plus a newly created additional problem on top of it from your bad solution. You started with the problem of rampant plagiarism and cheating, now you have both a problem with rampant plagiarism and cheating, and a new problem with making baseless accusations of cheating against potentially honest students with no real evidence.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  That is perhaps longest possible way I've ever seen to say "I don't know"
  - danShumway 3y ago
    If that is really your only takeaway from what I wrote then I apologize that the comment didn't elaborate more.