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This is apparently unpopular but my take on this is that if teachers want students to write something on which AI can get high scores, then whatever they're tea

This is apparently unpopular but my take on this is that if teachers want students to write something on which AI can get high scores, then whatever they're teaching is obsolete and will be replaced by AIs anyway. Of course, not mentioning AI as co-author remains cheating. But I think the best course of action is to simply allow students to use AI while mentioning it (and the prompts they've used). I'm in philosophy and so far no AI has produced a text of interest to me. If it did, then I'd deal with it like with any arguments by colleagues.

seanoliver 3y ago
Not unpopular at all IMO. AI should be (and is) raising the bar all around, both for students and for teachers. This teacher is failing the test.
- bluGill 3y ago
  My boss told me AI isn't quite ready for production yet, but I should expect in just a few years that I'm expected to use an AI for most of my coding tasks. AI can write some very good code, but sometimes it does some "why did you do it that way" things which might or might not be a valid shortcut. Time will tell.
dmm 3y ago
> if teachers want students to write something on which AI can get high scores, then whatever they're teaching is obsolete Doing trivial things is often the first step in learning how to do non-trivial things. No one has ever needed a five paragraph essay. It's a completely artificial construct that, hopefully, teaches people to structure an essay. Electronic calculators have existed for decades but we're still teaching kids arithmetic.
- fluoridation 3y ago
  >we're still teaching kids arithmetic. I remain unconvinced that it's a worthwhile use of time.
  - dmm 3y ago
    LLMs can read from images. Should we stop teaching reading?
    - fluoridation 3y ago
      My argument is not "if a machine can do it then it's not worth a human's time to do it". Reading provides advantages that doing arithmetic by hand does not.
antifa 3y ago
Maybe it's too early to assume letting the next generation be mentally dependent on AI is worth the risk. Also, I'd still want a foundation of critical thinking skills to be built inside the brain of the next generation, not outsourced to AI.

seanoliver 3y ago

Not unpopular at all IMO. AI should be (and is) raising the bar all around, both for students and for teachers. This teacher is failing the test.

bluGill 3y ago
My boss told me AI isn't quite ready for production yet, but I should expect in just a few years that I'm expected to use an AI for most of my coding tasks. AI can write some very good code, but sometimes it does some "why did you do it that way" things which might or might not be a valid shortcut. Time will tell.

dmm 3y ago

> if teachers want students to write something on which AI can get high scores, then whatever they're teaching is obsolete Doing trivial things is often the first step in learning how to do non-trivial things. No one has ever needed a five paragraph essay. It's a completely artificial construct that, hopefully, teaches people to structure an essay. Electronic calculators have existed for decades but we're still teaching kids arithmetic.

fluoridation 3y ago
>we're still teaching kids arithmetic. I remain unconvinced that it's a worthwhile use of time.
- dmm 3y ago
  LLMs can read from images. Should we stop teaching reading?
  - fluoridation 3y ago
    My argument is not "if a machine can do it then it's not worth a human's time to do it". Reading provides advantages that doing arithmetic by hand does not.

antifa 3y ago

Maybe it's too early to assume letting the next generation be mentally dependent on AI is worth the risk. Also, I'd still want a foundation of critical thinking skills to be built inside the brain of the next generation, not outsourced to AI.