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This almost seems like psyops to have anyone believe that "second and third rate" minds are bumbling around and failing. Secondly, I think the CIA gets the brun

This almost seems like psyops to have anyone believe that "second and third rate" minds are bumbling around and failing. Secondly, I think the CIA gets the brunt of the focus and criticism because its funded by the most powerful nation state in the world. Would another country do better (ethically, morally etc.?) Human/social problems don't have technological solutions, anyways.

Firmwarrior 3y ago
That's a good point. There must be some Google Deepmind-level geniuses out there with a patriotic and/or sociopathic streak happy to work for Uncle Sam
- noslenwerdna 3y ago
  Wouldn't sociopaths just work for big tech and make money?
  - DangitBobby 3y ago
    Torturing and killing people just hits different, you know?
    - krapp 3y ago
      It wouldn't for a sociopath, though.
    - justinclift 3y ago
      There's a comparison to be made there with screwing up people's thinking patterns at a societal level, just to be able to direct their attention towards advertisements. :/
DangitBobby 3y ago
My takeaway was that the insanity was only able to carry on because these programs were happening in secrecy with no public accountability.
pphysch 3y ago
> Would another country do better (ethically, morally etc.? This seems like a rhetorical question (answered with "yes"), or are you implying that it is a strange coincidence that the nation responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America, which inspired Adolf Hitler), and the only one to deploy nuclear bombs on civilians, would also happen to have an unaccountable intelligence agency that inspires comic book villains?
- badpun 3y ago
  > the nation responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America, which inspired Adolf Hitler) Weren't those nations mainly Brittain, Spain and France?
  - pphysch 3y ago
    They indeed started the process but most of the ethnic cleansing of NA occurred after the formation and rapid expansion of the USA.
- l33t7332273 3y ago
  > the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America It’s my understanding that almost all deaths of the original people in America was due to disease that was not understood well enough to be weaponized. I don’t see how the size of the deliberate ethnic cleansing that did take place can be greater than other far larger genocides.
  - pphysch 3y ago
    If you violently displace entire peoples from their land and food supply, and then they die "nonviolently" of poverty/disease a short time later, you are still to blame. That's clearly ethnic cleansing, even if it may fall short of genocide.
    - l33t7332273 3y ago
avgcorrection 3y ago
> Secondly, I think the CIA gets the brunt of the focus and criticism because its funded by the most powerful nation state in the world. Would another country do better (ethically, morally etc.?) The actually existing and most powerful such agency in the world gets the brunt of the focus compared to lesser agencies and hypothetical ones? I hope so.

Firmwarrior 3y ago

That's a good point. There must be some Google Deepmind-level geniuses out there with a patriotic and/or sociopathic streak happy to work for Uncle Sam

noslenwerdna 3y ago
Wouldn't sociopaths just work for big tech and make money?
- DangitBobby 3y ago
  Torturing and killing people just hits different, you know?
  - krapp 3y ago
    It wouldn't for a sociopath, though.
  - justinclift 3y ago
    There's a comparison to be made there with screwing up people's thinking patterns at a societal level, just to be able to direct their attention towards advertisements. :/

DangitBobby 3y ago

My takeaway was that the insanity was only able to carry on because these programs were happening in secrecy with no public accountability.

pphysch 3y ago

> Would another country do better (ethically, morally etc.? This seems like a rhetorical question (answered with "yes"), or are you implying that it is a strange coincidence that the nation responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America, which inspired Adolf Hitler), and the only one to deploy nuclear bombs on civilians, would also happen to have an unaccountable intelligence agency that inspires comic book villains?

badpun 3y ago
> the nation responsible for the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America, which inspired Adolf Hitler) Weren't those nations mainly Brittain, Spain and France?
- pphysch 3y ago
  They indeed started the process but most of the ethnic cleansing of NA occurred after the formation and rapid expansion of the USA.
l33t7332273 3y ago
> the largest ethnic cleansing in the last 500 years (that of North America It’s my understanding that almost all deaths of the original people in America was due to disease that was not understood well enough to be weaponized. I don’t see how the size of the deliberate ethnic cleansing that did take place can be greater than other far larger genocides.
- pphysch 3y ago
  If you violently displace entire peoples from their land and food supply, and then they die "nonviolently" of poverty/disease a short time later, you are still to blame. That's clearly ethnic cleansing, even if it may fall short of genocide.
  - l33t7332273 3y ago

avgcorrection 3y ago

> Secondly, I think the CIA gets the brunt of the focus and criticism because its funded by the most powerful nation state in the world. Would another country do better (ethically, morally etc.?) The actually existing and most powerful such agency in the world gets the brunt of the focus compared to lesser agencies and hypothetical ones? I hope so.