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..s..slava ukraini?

by itsyaboi 3y ago

..s..slava ukraini?

throwawayq3423 3y ago
Yes, a country fighting for its life against a genocidal invader is clearly an American conspiracy..somehow.
- adamsb6 3y ago
  > instigated color revolutions for regime change
  - vuln 3y ago
    To go further - A regime that would put the US in position to cut off the highly dependent EU from Russian LNG. Hundreds of billions of dollars of profit are at stake. Which is why the US bombed Nord Stream, it’s also why the current President’s son was on a board he knew nothing about, along with other congress critters families at different companies. It’s all a “conspiracy theory” until it’s not. https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1708595015507665378 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1708595015507665378 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1699985908395606426 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1699985908395606426
    - throwawayq3423 3y ago
      Blowing up the pipeline did nothing but void the non-delivery penalties Russia would have faced if it cut supply as it was threatening. Contract law doesn't care about military invasions. And Mike Benz is not a source on anything. He was appointed by Trump with no competence to some corner of the State Dept for 6 months then left. Get serious.
      - vuln 3y ago
        Being told “get serious” by a throw away. This is peak HN. Disparage the source not the content. Right buddy?
        throwawayq3423 3y ago
        Actually yes with an internet full conspiracy and misinfo, insisting on good sourcing is an excellent way of navigating the noise. This guy has zero credibility. And the point he is making is that some in Europe will gladly see Ukraine destroyed if it means cheaper gas. We should not be holding that opinion up as reasonable or even moral, it's not.
        vuln 3y ago
        You have zero credibility. Post on your real account not some throwaway, what are you scared of?
        throwawayq3423 3y ago
        "I know you are but what I am" is something we teach children not to say, because the logic is circular and self defeating. And using different, disposable handles is basic privacy protection. Using the same one for years means someone, somewhere is profiling you. Best case, it's just a marketer trying to sell you something.
        throwawayq3423 3y ago
        This is who your authority is, by the way. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/michael-benz-rising-voice-conservative-criticism-online-censorship-rcna119213 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/michael-benz-rising-vo...
  - throwawayq3423 3y ago
    Yes Ukraine was referenced. I get it, writing off a war as a conspiracy means you don't have to acknowledge what is happening, which allows pro-Russian individuals to not have to critically think about why their support the aggressor in a genocidal war. It's dishonest, alongside being immoral.
nitwit005 3y ago
If the CIA was competent enough to create mass protests to oust leaders, and not leave significant evidence of their involvement, they'd oust Putin and a bunch of others they don't like. If the guy was shot, poisoned, or similar, I'd treat the CIA as a possible suspect. Although given their history of fumbling assassinations, perhaps not the most likely one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_...).
- reaperman 3y ago
  > If the CIA was competent enough to create mass protests to oust leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état? (fails the "and not leave significant evidence of their involvement" part of your test, however)
  - nitwit005 3y ago
    A fundamental assumption of many conspiracy theories is that you can manage this stuff in total secrecy, and maintain that secret for decades, despite presumably involving a huge number of people.
- somenameforme 3y ago
  They don't create them, they foment them. Like in the most recent protests in Iran, we were agitating those but it's not like we created them out of nothing. Those divisions and issues are very real. And we tried our hardest to use them to overthrow the government, but there just wasn't enough momentum. And I think the same was initially true in Ukraine, so we took it to the next level. This [1] is John McCain, in Kyiv, giving a speech trying to embolden and agitate the protesters onward. 'America is with you. I am with you! Your destiny lies in Europe!' It seems unlikely that we would have done that if we thought the protests would have organically led to insurrection (even with covert instigation), because not only does it make our involvement completely overt, but it's also just a ridiculously hostile action. Imagine if in the leadup to January 6th, you had some high ranking Chinese official, in DC, riling up protesters 'China is with you. I am with you! Your destiny lies in a multipolar world!' It's just so unimaginably crass and overt that it would be just shy of a defacto declaration of war, as it's obviously an effort to try to rile up a group of people to overthrow a democratically elected government. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

..s..slava ukraini?

throwawayq3423 3y ago

Yes, a country fighting for its life against a genocidal invader is clearly an American conspiracy..somehow.

adamsb6 3y ago
> instigated color revolutions for regime change
- vuln 3y ago
  To go further - A regime that would put the US in position to cut off the highly dependent EU from Russian LNG. Hundreds of billions of dollars of profit are at stake. Which is why the US bombed Nord Stream, it’s also why the current President’s son was on a board he knew nothing about, along with other congress critters families at different companies. It’s all a “conspiracy theory” until it’s not. https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1708595015507665378 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1708595015507665378 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1699985908395606426 https://twitter.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1699985908395606426
  - throwawayq3423 3y ago
    Blowing up the pipeline did nothing but void the non-delivery penalties Russia would have faced if it cut supply as it was threatening. Contract law doesn't care about military invasions. And Mike Benz is not a source on anything. He was appointed by Trump with no competence to some corner of the State Dept for 6 months then left. Get serious.
    - vuln 3y ago
      Being told “get serious” by a throw away. This is peak HN. Disparage the source not the content. Right buddy?
      - throwawayq3423 3y ago
        Actually yes with an internet full conspiracy and misinfo, insisting on good sourcing is an excellent way of navigating the noise. This guy has zero credibility. And the point he is making is that some in Europe will gladly see Ukraine destroyed if it means cheaper gas. We should not be holding that opinion up as reasonable or even moral, it's not.
        vuln 3y ago
        You have zero credibility. Post on your real account not some throwaway, what are you scared of?
        throwawayq3423 3y ago
        "I know you are but what I am" is something we teach children not to say, because the logic is circular and self defeating. And using different, disposable handles is basic privacy protection. Using the same one for years means someone, somewhere is profiling you. Best case, it's just a marketer trying to sell you something.
        throwawayq3423 3y ago
        This is who your authority is, by the way. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/michael-benz-rising-voice-conservative-criticism-online-censorship-rcna119213 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/michael-benz-rising-vo...
- throwawayq3423 3y ago
  Yes Ukraine was referenced. I get it, writing off a war as a conspiracy means you don't have to acknowledge what is happening, which allows pro-Russian individuals to not have to critically think about why their support the aggressor in a genocidal war. It's dishonest, alongside being immoral.

nitwit005 3y ago

If the CIA was competent enough to create mass protests to oust leaders, and not leave significant evidence of their involvement, they'd oust Putin and a bunch of others they don't like. If the guy was shot, poisoned, or similar, I'd treat the CIA as a possible suspect. Although given their history of fumbling assassinations, perhaps not the most likely one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_Fidel_Castro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_assassination_attempts_on_...).

reaperman 3y ago
> If the CIA was competent enough to create mass protests to oust leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27état? (fails the "and not leave significant evidence of their involvement" part of your test, however)
- nitwit005 3y ago
  A fundamental assumption of many conspiracy theories is that you can manage this stuff in total secrecy, and maintain that secret for decades, despite presumably involving a huge number of people.
somenameforme 3y ago
They don't create them, they foment them. Like in the most recent protests in Iran, we were agitating those but it's not like we created them out of nothing. Those divisions and issues are very real. And we tried our hardest to use them to overthrow the government, but there just wasn't enough momentum. And I think the same was initially true in Ukraine, so we took it to the next level. This [1] is John McCain, in Kyiv, giving a speech trying to embolden and agitate the protesters onward. 'America is with you. I am with you! Your destiny lies in Europe!' It seems unlikely that we would have done that if we thought the protests would have organically led to insurrection (even with covert instigation), because not only does it make our involvement completely overt, but it's also just a ridiculously hostile action. Imagine if in the leadup to January 6th, you had some high ranking Chinese official, in DC, riling up protesters 'China is with you. I am with you! Your destiny lies in a multipolar world!' It's just so unimaginably crass and overt that it would be just shy of a defacto declaration of war, as it's obviously an effort to try to rile up a group of people to overthrow a democratically elected government. [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg