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Furthermore oral examinations do not scale. We had to do them during covid times and it was gruesome, spending full days in meetings and losing a full week with

Furthermore oral examinations do not scale. We had to do them during covid times and it was gruesome, spending full days in meetings and losing a full week with only 70-80 students.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
What about a voiced AI chatbot to handle the simpler questions? Fight fire with fire.
- wfvr 3y ago
  An AI could generate relevant questions, follow-up questions during the oral, and evaluate the student at the end. The teacher could then review the whole conversarion at a glance and check/adjust the AI evaluation, which shouldn't take more time than grading an exam and be equally scalable. I've actually tested this with a VR app (with support for mobile also), and it actually works quite well.
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > An AI could generate relevant questions, follow-up questions during the oral, and evaluate the student at the end. I dunno about that level of automation. Maybe the proctors can use it to generate a big bag of questions beforehand, that they manually review, but generating them on the fly is just asking for trouble. Administering the preset questions and responding to the student is a much better fit.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    So as a student, I'm forced to converse with an ai and take it seriously, when in reality I reject them all? The whole original post is an example of this being terrible and not a solution for anything. It's bad enough that these things don't do a good job, don't basically function for the task, but what's as bad or worse is being forced to pretend you buy into it all like having to pretend to believe in some religion just to not get killed by everyone else. I'm not a student and so far I have been free to judge all these ais as bad on a variety of fronts, and not use them (directly anyway, of course they are used behind the scenes in ways that affect me which I can't control). This would be hell.
pmarreck 3y ago
AI will scale them pretty trivially. I mean, ChatGPT just released verbal back-and-forth tech and is rolling it out, so this is not far off at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37768282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37768282
Negitivefrags 3y ago
Education just doesn’t really scale. There haven’t been technological advances in education that have overwhelmed the student teacher ratio in terms of effectiveness. On some level we just have to accept this.
- Nasrudith 3y ago
  The main technological advances already happened relatively early via printing, first through the printing presses and then later through desktop publication. Other advances are more peripheral such as better indexing via computers.
OkayPhysicist 3y ago
It scales by having more, smaller classes, with more teachers.

Furthermore oral examinations do not scale. We had to do them during covid times and it was gruesome, spending full days in meetings and losing a full week with only 70-80 students.

brucethemoose2 3y ago

What about a voiced AI chatbot to handle the simpler questions? Fight fire with fire.

wfvr 3y ago
An AI could generate relevant questions, follow-up questions during the oral, and evaluate the student at the end. The teacher could then review the whole conversarion at a glance and check/adjust the AI evaluation, which shouldn't take more time than grading an exam and be equally scalable. I've actually tested this with a VR app (with support for mobile also), and it actually works quite well.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  > An AI could generate relevant questions, follow-up questions during the oral, and evaluate the student at the end. I dunno about that level of automation. Maybe the proctors can use it to generate a big bag of questions beforehand, that they manually review, but generating them on the fly is just asking for trouble. Administering the preset questions and responding to the student is a much better fit.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  So as a student, I'm forced to converse with an ai and take it seriously, when in reality I reject them all? The whole original post is an example of this being terrible and not a solution for anything. It's bad enough that these things don't do a good job, don't basically function for the task, but what's as bad or worse is being forced to pretend you buy into it all like having to pretend to believe in some religion just to not get killed by everyone else. I'm not a student and so far I have been free to judge all these ais as bad on a variety of fronts, and not use them (directly anyway, of course they are used behind the scenes in ways that affect me which I can't control). This would be hell.

pmarreck 3y ago

AI will scale them pretty trivially. I mean, ChatGPT just released verbal back-and-forth tech and is rolling it out, so this is not far off at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37768282 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37768282

Negitivefrags 3y ago

Education just doesn’t really scale. There haven’t been technological advances in education that have overwhelmed the student teacher ratio in terms of effectiveness. On some level we just have to accept this.

Nasrudith 3y ago
The main technological advances already happened relatively early via printing, first through the printing presses and then later through desktop publication. Other advances are more peripheral such as better indexing via computers.

OkayPhysicist 3y ago

It scales by having more, smaller classes, with more teachers.