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Especially the media companies! They put artificial limits on the range of acceptable thoughts, acting as both a muzzle and a noose around the neck of the publi

Especially the media companies! They put artificial limits on the range of acceptable thoughts, acting as both a muzzle and a noose around the neck of the public.

scarface_74 3y ago
Yes because there is absolutely no way for you to get your thoughts to people worldwide without depending on big media…
- user3939382 3y ago
  Parler Strawman in any case, having a technical option doesn’t negate massive horrible effects on the public.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    So it’s a straw man that anyone can’t just set up a blog or do podcast and publish their ideas?
    - user3939382 3y ago
      It’s a strawman because GP wasn’t commenting on whether or not there is a technical way of reaching the public, but rather that media consolidation hurts the public. Those are orthogonal issues.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        It’s not orthogonal, consolidation of media is only important if it keeps people’s messages from getting distributed broadly. Is that really a problem in 2023? The “media” - ie ways to reach people is less consolidated now than any time in history.
        user3939382 3y ago
        I can invent a new protocol and app right now thats 100x easier to publish on and access. No one is using yet, is the harm of propaganda stories in corporate media lessened in any way by the fact of that tools availability? No
        scarface_74 3y ago
        You don’t have to event an app. You can set up a web server in your own home to get your views across. In fact, you don’t have to do that. You’re getting your views across right now.
        user3939382 3y ago
        Yes, that doesn’t mean the corporate media doesn’t have a huge amount of influence due to their consolidation. Technical ability to communicate is not the only factor in power of reach. I’m not sure how else to explain it.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        And yet, without any media support, civil rights leaders were able to effect change in the 60s. Maybe people these days are just lazy?
        user3939382 3y ago
        Maybe they're just propagandized to death and don't know what they don't know.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Right because in the good old days, people weren’t propagandized to think it was dangerous for Black and White people to drink from the same water fountain or go to the same school, that gay people should go to jail (“anti-sodomy laws”) and that it’s a sin against God to allow interracial marriages (laws against miscegenation). Not to mention the whole era of McCarthyism

Especially the media companies! They put artificial limits on the range of acceptable thoughts, acting as both a muzzle and a noose around the neck of the public.

scarface_74 3y ago

Yes because there is absolutely no way for you to get your thoughts to people worldwide without depending on big media…

user3939382 3y ago
Parler Strawman in any case, having a technical option doesn’t negate massive horrible effects on the public.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  So it’s a straw man that anyone can’t just set up a blog or do podcast and publish their ideas?
  - user3939382 3y ago
    It’s a strawman because GP wasn’t commenting on whether or not there is a technical way of reaching the public, but rather that media consolidation hurts the public. Those are orthogonal issues.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      It’s not orthogonal, consolidation of media is only important if it keeps people’s messages from getting distributed broadly. Is that really a problem in 2023? The “media” - ie ways to reach people is less consolidated now than any time in history.
      - user3939382 3y ago
        I can invent a new protocol and app right now thats 100x easier to publish on and access. No one is using yet, is the harm of propaganda stories in corporate media lessened in any way by the fact of that tools availability? No
        scarface_74 3y ago
        You don’t have to event an app. You can set up a web server in your own home to get your views across. In fact, you don’t have to do that. You’re getting your views across right now.
        user3939382 3y ago
        Yes, that doesn’t mean the corporate media doesn’t have a huge amount of influence due to their consolidation. Technical ability to communicate is not the only factor in power of reach. I’m not sure how else to explain it.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        And yet, without any media support, civil rights leaders were able to effect change in the 60s. Maybe people these days are just lazy?
        user3939382 3y ago
        Maybe they're just propagandized to death and don't know what they don't know.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Right because in the good old days, people weren’t propagandized to think it was dangerous for Black and White people to drink from the same water fountain or go to the same school, that gay people should go to jail (“anti-sodomy laws”) and that it’s a sin against God to allow interracial marriages (laws against miscegenation). Not to mention the whole era of McCarthyism