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Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available. I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and

Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available. I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and is smaller.

goles 3y ago
Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?
- dmt0 3y ago
  Can you elaborate?
  - chrononaut 3y ago
    Looks like they're referring to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared
    - dmt0 3y ago
      OK, so the guy had a breakdown and tripped out on everyone around. Doesn't make his project bad.
- jmprspret 3y ago
  GrapheneOS has been the target of ongoing personal attacks against the former lead dev. None of the claims are true. GOS devs have been swatted and harassed on multiple occasions. I suggest you examine the baseless claims against the (former) lead dev more closely - they are fabrication. (He has been harassed so much, with death threats and the like, that he has recently stepped down as lead dev).
  - ColoursofOSINT 3y ago
    I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect. Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5]. Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time. It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources. After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg 3: https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2af13d397f3b2057cb05006e110f https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a... 4: https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode.logbot.info/AOSPAlliance/20201211 https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode.... 5: https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/community-drama-and-mobile-os/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforpr...
    - medo-bear 3y ago
      Think about all the products you purchase. Do you really think that in each case, the CEO of the company behind that product has a "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? [I really doubt it.] But here we are concerned about personality quirks of a guy developing a valuable free product.
      - _susn 3y ago
        > "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion. But lets take what you said in good faith. I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting (as he has done in the past) them would cause significant damage. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
- jacooper 3y ago
  Didn't he step down? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104
- mcsniff 3y ago
  The GrapheneOS project, and by extension the developers, have principles around code that I agree with. I've followed, from a safe distance, the CopperheadOS saga, et al the other dramas and bullshit over the years. The product is still good and I will continue to use and evaluate my usage of it. Until the product materially changes, I will stick with it.

Been holding on to my Pixel 5 with GrapheneOS for a while hoping a smaller Pixel is available. I might consider the non-Pro since it now has a 120Hz screen and is smaller.

goles 3y ago

Check into the developer of GrapheneOS reputation. From a friend who used to use GrapheneOS and flashed back. You want that guy pushing code to your phone?

dmt0 3y ago
Can you elaborate?
- chrononaut 3y ago
  Looks like they're referring to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared
  - dmt0 3y ago
    OK, so the guy had a breakdown and tripped out on everyone around. Doesn't make his project bad.
jmprspret 3y ago
GrapheneOS has been the target of ongoing personal attacks against the former lead dev. None of the claims are true. GOS devs have been swatted and harassed on multiple occasions. I suggest you examine the baseless claims against the (former) lead dev more closely - they are fabrication. (He has been harassed so much, with death threats and the like, that he has recently stepped down as lead dev).
- ColoursofOSINT 3y ago
  I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect. Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5]. Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time. It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources. After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg 3: https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2af13d397f3b2057cb05006e110f https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a... 4: https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode.logbot.info/AOSPAlliance/20201211 https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode.... 5: https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforprivacy.com/posts/community-drama-and-mobile-os/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforpr...
  - medo-bear 3y ago
    Think about all the products you purchase. Do you really think that in each case, the CEO of the company behind that product has a "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? [I really doubt it.] But here we are concerned about personality quirks of a guy developing a valuable free product.
    - _susn 3y ago
      > "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion. But lets take what you said in good faith. I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting (as he has done in the past) them would cause significant damage. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
jacooper 3y ago
Didn't he step down? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36089104
mcsniff 3y ago
The GrapheneOS project, and by extension the developers, have principles around code that I agree with. I've followed, from a safe distance, the CopperheadOS saga, et al the other dramas and bullshit over the years. The product is still good and I will continue to use and evaluate my usage of it. Until the product materially changes, I will stick with it.