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I explicitly said "as a developer" because it's not a personal judgment. You can be a good person and also have a terrible take as a software engineer. > We sh

I explicitly said "as a developer" because it's not a personal judgment. You can be a good person and also have a terrible take as a software engineer. > We should not categorically denounce people who prefer it as lesser developers I don't think you've justified this point. I'm comfortable with my position on this.

eduction 3y ago
What you say is true, but it’s also true that the person you are replying specifically made their remarks about productivity - you’re both talking about what is best at work. It seems reasonable to argue that statements that you won’t even discuss X any more and would rather judge the person as less competent professionally are unproductive. Not saying I agree, btw. But it does seem like a pretty basic point. One of you is talking about preserving your sanity and the other about output. It’s not necessarily a disagreement even.
- PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
  > any more and would rather judge the person as less competent professionally That is absolutely NOT what the other poster said. They said they _MAY_ judge them that way.
  - eduction 3y ago
    Fair point, you're right! I still think it's reasonable to argue that's not a "productive" approach, but like I said, that's not my own opinion, I just think it's a reasonable argument.
PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
to add, I agree with you mostly. I don't necessarily think it makes someone a "lesser developer" if they prefer untyped languages, but I DO think they've either had to maintain anything long term or it stayed relatively small. Whether that makes them lesser or not isn't really for me to say, but I can say I'm definitely on board with the idea that types increase productivity the longer a system is maintained. Unless used poorly, types don't automatically mean you use them well, but they make it a hell of a lot easier to do the right thing.
bitblender 3y ago
Again, I don't mean "personal" in the sense that you are making a statement about someone's worth as a person. It's "personal" because you extrapolate information about an individual person's technical skills from a single opinion than you have any real factual justification to do so. People will always find ways to defy your preconceived notions.

eduction 3y ago

What you say is true, but it’s also true that the person you are replying specifically made their remarks about productivity - you’re both talking about what is best at work. It seems reasonable to argue that statements that you won’t even discuss X any more and would rather judge the person as less competent professionally are unproductive. Not saying I agree, btw. But it does seem like a pretty basic point. One of you is talking about preserving your sanity and the other about output. It’s not necessarily a disagreement even.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
> any more and would rather judge the person as less competent professionally That is absolutely NOT what the other poster said. They said they _MAY_ judge them that way.
- eduction 3y ago
  Fair point, you're right! I still think it's reasonable to argue that's not a "productive" approach, but like I said, that's not my own opinion, I just think it's a reasonable argument.

PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago

to add, I agree with you mostly. I don't necessarily think it makes someone a "lesser developer" if they prefer untyped languages, but I DO think they've either had to maintain anything long term or it stayed relatively small. Whether that makes them lesser or not isn't really for me to say, but I can say I'm definitely on board with the idea that types increase productivity the longer a system is maintained. Unless used poorly, types don't automatically mean you use them well, but they make it a hell of a lot easier to do the right thing.

bitblender 3y ago

Again, I don't mean "personal" in the sense that you are making a statement about someone's worth as a person. It's "personal" because you extrapolate information about an individual person's technical skills from a single opinion than you have any real factual justification to do so. People will always find ways to defy your preconceived notions.