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> Can you predict crimes? Of course you can, the math is clear. I don't follow—just because arrests were made doesn't imply crime happened, and it doesn't impl

> Can you predict crimes? Of course you can, the math is clear. I don't follow—just because arrests were made doesn't imply crime happened, and it doesn't imply the police are arresting the people committing the actual crimes. All it shows is that the cops arrest the same people over and over again. How do you know they aren't just harassing innocent people? > The solution to reduce crime is also logical and clear, but politically unfeasible: extended incarceration. Sorry, what solutions are you comparing to and what are you basing this on? Sounds like reactionary fear... miss me with that ish. Anyway if long sentencing worked we wouldn't have the crime rate we do. Then again, asking a reactionary to use their brain is like asking a worm to fly. Apologies for the request.

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Georgelemental 3y ago
> Anyway if long sentencing worked El Salvador used to be the world's homicide capital. People lived in fear every single day. Then they locked up their criminals. Now their murder rate is comparable to US and Canada's. https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/09/world/americas/el-salvador-gangs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/09/world/americas/el-salvado... > Now, children play soccer late into the evening on fields that were gang turf. Ms. Inglés gathers soil for her plants next to an abandoned building that residents say was used for gang killings. > Homicides plunged. Extortion payments imposed by gangs on businesses and residents, once an economy unto itself, also declined, analysts said. > “You can walk freely,” Ms. Inglés said. “So much has changed.” > El Faro, El Salvador’s leading news outlet, surveyed the country earlier this year and delivered a stunning assessment: The gangs largely “do not exist.” Long sentencing works when you actually prosecute and enforce consistently (hint: US doesn't do that).
- diogenes4 3y ago
  Ok so to state the obvious and it's insane to compare us to el salvador and seriously suggest we should become even more of a prison state than we already are. Secondly, part of the reason we have such a high crime rate is our high imprisonment rate, as el salvador will discover. If you remove all legal avenues to survival you create crime. Meanwhile, the actually obvious measures—i.e. actually fighting poverty in good faith—is so anathema to american culture people would rather watch people shit in the street than watch their housing valuation rise slower or, god forbid, drop.
  - Georgelemental 3y ago
    Do you have any empirical evidence to support your assertions? > watch their housing valuation rise slower or, god forbid, drop I'm a YIMBY, the rent is too high. But YIMBYism only works if laws are enforced, otherwise you just get universal disorder.
    - diogenes4 3y ago
      I'm not sure what YIMBYism is beyond giving cash away to developers, tbh, nor what it has to do with laws being enforced. They seem like orthogonal concepts at first blush.
      - Georgelemental 3y ago
        > Giving cash away to developers By "YIMBYism" I just mean "making it legal for developers to develop"—no cash transfers necessary. When more housing gets built, housing prices go down (supply and demand), which helps alleviate problems like homelessness. However, one of the biggest reasons why policies that reduce housing costs face political opposition is that people fear that lower costs will attract criminals to the neighborhood. By arresting and imprisoning the criminals, you neutralize this source of opposition. In short, locking up the bad guys is a necessary step to "fight poverty in good faith".

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Georgelemental 3y ago

> Anyway if long sentencing worked El Salvador used to be the world's homicide capital. People lived in fear every single day. Then they locked up their criminals. Now their murder rate is comparable to US and Canada's. https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-el-salvador/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/696152/homicide-rate-in-... https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/09/world/americas/el-salvador-gangs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/09/world/americas/el-salvado... > Now, children play soccer late into the evening on fields that were gang turf. Ms. Inglés gathers soil for her plants next to an abandoned building that residents say was used for gang killings. > Homicides plunged. Extortion payments imposed by gangs on businesses and residents, once an economy unto itself, also declined, analysts said. > “You can walk freely,” Ms. Inglés said. “So much has changed.” > El Faro, El Salvador’s leading news outlet, surveyed the country earlier this year and delivered a stunning assessment: The gangs largely “do not exist.” Long sentencing works when you actually prosecute and enforce consistently (hint: US doesn't do that).

diogenes4 3y ago
Ok so to state the obvious and it's insane to compare us to el salvador and seriously suggest we should become even more of a prison state than we already are. Secondly, part of the reason we have such a high crime rate is our high imprisonment rate, as el salvador will discover. If you remove all legal avenues to survival you create crime. Meanwhile, the actually obvious measures—i.e. actually fighting poverty in good faith—is so anathema to american culture people would rather watch people shit in the street than watch their housing valuation rise slower or, god forbid, drop.
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  Do you have any empirical evidence to support your assertions? > watch their housing valuation rise slower or, god forbid, drop I'm a YIMBY, the rent is too high. But YIMBYism only works if laws are enforced, otherwise you just get universal disorder.
  - diogenes4 3y ago
    I'm not sure what YIMBYism is beyond giving cash away to developers, tbh, nor what it has to do with laws being enforced. They seem like orthogonal concepts at first blush.
    - Georgelemental 3y ago
      > Giving cash away to developers By "YIMBYism" I just mean "making it legal for developers to develop"—no cash transfers necessary. When more housing gets built, housing prices go down (supply and demand), which helps alleviate problems like homelessness. However, one of the biggest reasons why policies that reduce housing costs face political opposition is that people fear that lower costs will attract criminals to the neighborhood. By arresting and imprisoning the criminals, you neutralize this source of opposition. In short, locking up the bad guys is a necessary step to "fight poverty in good faith".