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Let me guess, someone watched Graham Hancock again :)

keepamovin 3y ago
Yeah, I'm watching Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix now! :) They found underground chambers in this 20KA old terrace complex. It's amazing! :)
- tephra 3y ago
  It's of course cool to see these places. But do remember that Hancocks "theories" are, if we are being nice today, utter nonsensical pseudoscience. If you want some real archeology I recommend Milo from the miniminuteman YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773 https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773
  - keepamovin 3y ago
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    - aappleby 3y ago
      The first sentence of the wikipedia entry is literally "Graham Bruce Hancock (born 2 August 1950) is a British writer who promotes pseudoscientific[2][3] theories involving many ancient civilizations and lost lands."
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Yeah, that's what I was sayin' about Wikipedia, man. Hey!--aren't you guy who originally developed SMHasher and murmur? What are you doing these days?
      - 2malaq 3y ago
        Well, if it says so on Wikipedia it must be true.
        keepamovin 3y ago
        Exactly, right? Thanks for sayin' it! :)
        throwaway290 3y ago
        That's rich coming from someone who posted the link to Wikipedia in the first place
        keepamovin 3y ago
        Heh, I get what you mean. I'm not throwing out Wikipedia as a whole, but it does have a certain stance, you have to admit.
    - tephra 3y ago
      I certainly didn't say that Wikipedia claims he is a loony conspiracy theorists (I am though implying that the scientific field of archaeology thinks that) and I didn't mock you, but if anything Graham Hancocks ideas (which are distinct from his person, something you ought to remember). If you think my comment was toxic, well then I don't really know what to tell ya. I find it more toxic for our society to spread pseudoscience like Hancock does (which also has the effect of diminishing the accomplishments of other cultures, making it even worse).
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      - keepamovin 3y ago
        If you don't think it's toxic, I think you just got to think about it (and feel about it) a bit more. Something I ought to remember? Come on, man: you chose what to say, and your timing. How sensitive do you think that is? It's not all just about adjudicating ideas, you have to consider the people, too. It would be good if you just reflect on it, let it work on you a bit, alright?
- throwaway290 3y ago
  It is entertaining and engrossing storytelling but he seems to like a pretty story more than truth. It's obvious once you realize his take is very one sided. Spoiler alert, after finishing it and some research I choose simply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesi... for a more balanced take.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    With "pretty story" and "his take" which of the theories and facts are you referring to? The reason I ask because in each episode of this series there are lots of facts, and theories presented, and not just by him, but by other scholars. So, I'm wondering which theories and facts did you choose an alternative to that you find more balanced? Also, the Younger Dryas Impact--I thought that was the theory that Hancock was most prominently associated with as an advocate of, haha! Maybe I don't understand you but I find it funny as you say seemingly that Hancock's theory is more balanced than Hancock's theory, haha!
    - throwaway290 3y ago
      > With "pretty story" and "his take" which of the theories and facts are you referring to? The reason I ask because in each episode of this series there are lots of facts, and theories presented, and By the end of the season it's obviously a single story based on YDIH. Which is a fringe theory and he doesn't present any evidence to the contrary and doesn't select footage with anyone or anything that present evidence to the contrary. > not just by him, but by other scholars. Tell you more, there's a whole bunch of people who might support his take (cf Comet Research Group). Just like you can find many people who would support flat earth theory. Doesn't make it less of a fringe take though. In the end it's a play on existential fear, some white politics (those mysterious tall white bearded people who came to America and were treated like gods and taught Indians all the cool things), some Christian politics and biblical flood evidence, some conspiracy (various coverups he alludes to) crafted to get a particular demographic going.
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- lemper 3y ago
  > They found underground chambers in this 20KA old terrace complex. It's amazing! :) this is a sarcastic reply, i presume? i couldn't find any info related to underground chamber in the wikipedia entry.
  - defrost 3y ago
    Of course there are underground chambers there, and some very regular geometric ones to be sure. It's a remnant extinct volcano stack, silted over, with substantial amounts of columnar jointing. Lava tubes and washed out geometric spaces are to be expected, it'd be weird if there weren't any. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_with_columnar_jointed_volcanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_with_columnar_j... I have no idea if they've actually found entrances to any, of course, I haven't watched the docos on this site - but other similar places have kooky spaces and impressive tunnels that look designed, so . . .
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      > It's a remnant extinct volcano stack, silted over, with substantial amounts of columnar jointing. Lava tubes and washed out geometric spaces are to be expected, it'd be weird if there weren't any. Could be. But the site is a megalithic terraced pyramid. That it would have inner chambers like Cholula or Giza is not unexpected. I don't know if they've tried to excavate any yet, it's what they see on the ground radar and other sensors.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Not sarcastic at all! What makes you think that? I'm totally genuine, I thought the smiley and exclamation would convey the enthusiasm! I feel sad it didn't come across for you. :( Anyway, they have it in the show. They use ground radar and some other sensors and they find 3 large rectangular caverns with tunnels between them. It's amazing!
    - lemper 3y ago
      yeah, the smileys that took me off. on the show? alright, will try to find it on high sea. thanks for the info, mate.

Yeah, I'm watching Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix now! :) They found underground chambers in this 20KA old terrace complex. It's amazing! :)

tephra 3y ago
It's of course cool to see these places. But do remember that Hancocks "theories" are, if we are being nice today, utter nonsensical pseudoscience. If you want some real archeology I recommend Milo from the miniminuteman YouTube channel: https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773 https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773
- keepamovin 3y ago
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  - aappleby 3y ago
    The first sentence of the wikipedia entry is literally "Graham Bruce Hancock (born 2 August 1950) is a British writer who promotes pseudoscientific[2][3] theories involving many ancient civilizations and lost lands."
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      Yeah, that's what I was sayin' about Wikipedia, man. Hey!--aren't you guy who originally developed SMHasher and murmur? What are you doing these days?
    - 2malaq 3y ago
      Well, if it says so on Wikipedia it must be true.
      - keepamovin 3y ago
        Exactly, right? Thanks for sayin' it! :)
        throwaway290 3y ago
        That's rich coming from someone who posted the link to Wikipedia in the first place
        keepamovin 3y ago
        Heh, I get what you mean. I'm not throwing out Wikipedia as a whole, but it does have a certain stance, you have to admit.
  - tephra 3y ago
    I certainly didn't say that Wikipedia claims he is a loony conspiracy theorists (I am though implying that the scientific field of archaeology thinks that) and I didn't mock you, but if anything Graham Hancocks ideas (which are distinct from his person, something you ought to remember). If you think my comment was toxic, well then I don't really know what to tell ya. I find it more toxic for our society to spread pseudoscience like Hancock does (which also has the effect of diminishing the accomplishments of other cultures, making it even worse).
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    - keepamovin 3y ago
      If you don't think it's toxic, I think you just got to think about it (and feel about it) a bit more. Something I ought to remember? Come on, man: you chose what to say, and your timing. How sensitive do you think that is? It's not all just about adjudicating ideas, you have to consider the people, too. It would be good if you just reflect on it, let it work on you a bit, alright?
throwaway290 3y ago
It is entertaining and engrossing storytelling but he seems to like a pretty story more than truth. It's obvious once you realize his take is very one sided. Spoiler alert, after finishing it and some research I choose simply https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas_impact_hypothesi... for a more balanced take.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  With "pretty story" and "his take" which of the theories and facts are you referring to? The reason I ask because in each episode of this series there are lots of facts, and theories presented, and not just by him, but by other scholars. So, I'm wondering which theories and facts did you choose an alternative to that you find more balanced? Also, the Younger Dryas Impact--I thought that was the theory that Hancock was most prominently associated with as an advocate of, haha! Maybe I don't understand you but I find it funny as you say seemingly that Hancock's theory is more balanced than Hancock's theory, haha!
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    > With "pretty story" and "his take" which of the theories and facts are you referring to? The reason I ask because in each episode of this series there are lots of facts, and theories presented, and By the end of the season it's obviously a single story based on YDIH. Which is a fringe theory and he doesn't present any evidence to the contrary and doesn't select footage with anyone or anything that present evidence to the contrary. > not just by him, but by other scholars. Tell you more, there's a whole bunch of people who might support his take (cf Comet Research Group). Just like you can find many people who would support flat earth theory. Doesn't make it less of a fringe take though. In the end it's a play on existential fear, some white politics (those mysterious tall white bearded people who came to America and were treated like gods and taught Indians all the cool things), some Christian politics and biblical flood evidence, some conspiracy (various coverups he alludes to) crafted to get a particular demographic going.
    - 3y ago
lemper 3y ago
> They found underground chambers in this 20KA old terrace complex. It's amazing! :) this is a sarcastic reply, i presume? i couldn't find any info related to underground chamber in the wikipedia entry.
- defrost 3y ago
  Of course there are underground chambers there, and some very regular geometric ones to be sure. It's a remnant extinct volcano stack, silted over, with substantial amounts of columnar jointing. Lava tubes and washed out geometric spaces are to be expected, it'd be weird if there weren't any. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_with_columnar_jointed_volcanics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_with_columnar_j... I have no idea if they've actually found entrances to any, of course, I haven't watched the docos on this site - but other similar places have kooky spaces and impressive tunnels that look designed, so . . .
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    > It's a remnant extinct volcano stack, silted over, with substantial amounts of columnar jointing. Lava tubes and washed out geometric spaces are to be expected, it'd be weird if there weren't any. Could be. But the site is a megalithic terraced pyramid. That it would have inner chambers like Cholula or Giza is not unexpected. I don't know if they've tried to excavate any yet, it's what they see on the ground radar and other sensors.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Not sarcastic at all! What makes you think that? I'm totally genuine, I thought the smiley and exclamation would convey the enthusiasm! I feel sad it didn't come across for you. :( Anyway, they have it in the show. They use ground radar and some other sensors and they find 3 large rectangular caverns with tunnels between them. It's amazing!
  - lemper 3y ago
    yeah, the smileys that took me off. on the show? alright, will try to find it on high sea. thanks for the info, mate.