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It’s an expensive burger restaurant, not a grocery store. Having a bank account and a debit card doesn’t mean “participating in a debt-based system”.

noduerme 3y ago
Yea, both of those things mean participating in a debt-based system. If your money is all on loan from your credit card company, or in a bank that charges you fees to get it out, you literally have nothing. I don't give a flying fuck how expensive the hamburger is, the same thing applies to Dollar General or to tickets to the opera. A company FORCING consumers to use their money through a middle man bank creates a private currency that undermines the full faith and credit of the US government which itself is the only bulwark against mafias taking a piece of every transaction... and is only so because we have some say in its constitution. The government's assertion that we have a right to trade with its currency as opposed to that of a private bank is the assertion of our rights as citizens, not slaves to any given mafia or corporate power.
- cycrutchfield 3y ago
  You must be using the wrong banks.
  - noduerme 3y ago
    Are there retail banks in America which aren't run for profit? I wasn't aware. Should citizens be forced to keep their money with privately run institutions, which decide when and how and if they can access their money, in order to transact on the most basic level, in order to buy food? If so, the government effectively renounces its exclusive control of the currency. Why do countries print currency? For the settlement of debts public and private. It's not merely a civil rights issue. It's a core governmental function to provide a public and universally accepted instrument of trade. Governments which partner with privately run banks and coerce citizens into using those banks are inherently corrupt.
    - cycrutchfield 3y ago
      This is like complaining that you need to buy a wallet or pants with pockets in order to carry cash, therefore the government has relinquished exclusive control over currency. No, they have not.

noduerme 3y ago

Yea, both of those things mean participating in a debt-based system. If your money is all on loan from your credit card company, or in a bank that charges you fees to get it out, you literally have nothing. I don't give a flying fuck how expensive the hamburger is, the same thing applies to Dollar General or to tickets to the opera. A company FORCING consumers to use their money through a middle man bank creates a private currency that undermines the full faith and credit of the US government which itself is the only bulwark against mafias taking a piece of every transaction... and is only so because we have some say in its constitution. The government's assertion that we have a right to trade with its currency as opposed to that of a private bank is the assertion of our rights as citizens, not slaves to any given mafia or corporate power.

cycrutchfield 3y ago
You must be using the wrong banks.
- noduerme 3y ago
  Are there retail banks in America which aren't run for profit? I wasn't aware. Should citizens be forced to keep their money with privately run institutions, which decide when and how and if they can access their money, in order to transact on the most basic level, in order to buy food? If so, the government effectively renounces its exclusive control of the currency. Why do countries print currency? For the settlement of debts public and private. It's not merely a civil rights issue. It's a core governmental function to provide a public and universally accepted instrument of trade. Governments which partner with privately run banks and coerce citizens into using those banks are inherently corrupt.
  - cycrutchfield 3y ago
    This is like complaining that you need to buy a wallet or pants with pockets in order to carry cash, therefore the government has relinquished exclusive control over currency. No, they have not.