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In theory this won’t matter in a couple months when Threads gets ActivityPub support. Makes sense from a branding perspective

greesil 3y ago
Embrace, extend, enshitten
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  I guess I don't know the ins and outs of this but I imagine if there is any issue, mastodon server administrators will ban the threads servers from federating to their server, and then users can live happily in ignorance of whatever Threads is doing, unless they elect to join or migrate to a server which does federate it.
  - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
    And thus we see the sham of Mastodon, where people are supposed to be able to go for freedom from censorship and jagoff moderators... but where swaths of content or users are banned.
    - greesil 3y ago
      Jagoff moderators are as old, or older, than the internet my friend.
      - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
        Hahaha, true!
    - simbolit 3y ago
      Once you understand the subtlety, it is no longer "the sham of mastodon": ActivityPub, the protocol, is the freedom you describe. But individual servers, using the mastodon software and activitypub protocol, they may or may not, depending on server admins. If you don't like content bans or user bans, you have three options: (1) find a mastodon server with the same values re freedom/censorship as you have. (2) set up such a server yourself (3) don't use mastodon/ap
      - dmix 3y ago
        Maybe you have those options but anyone outside of the technically savvy (aka the mom test) is not engaging in a system where they are forced into that situation as a rule of using the platform. I'm not recommending a site to my mom where I have to explain why she needs to sign up for a 2nd or 3rd time with a user/pw to access the content she already invested time/energy in finding/following because it got delisted. The early popular services on Mastodon 100% eagerly enforce hyper moderation...so yeah, basically the only large active community there is going to be a very in-group subset of technical users, with some niche services offering broader access. Despite the best possible opportunity coming about with Twitter nothing in the year since then has indicated otherwise.
        kstrauser 3y ago
        Stop getting your mom signed up on awful, unmoderated servers, then. I manage a Mastodon instance. When I disconnect from another server, I explain the reason to the users on my instance. I've never once disconnected because I disagreed with another server's politics. I have cut off servers that post literal Nazi content (like swastika flags, extreme antisemitism, etc.), content that's illegal in the USA where I live, and other reasons that go far beyond "things I disagree with". I'll continue to do so. And I get new users signing up because they appreciate that I disconnect from that filth. And from what my other admin friends say, that seems to be the standard practice. Sure, there are some instances that disconnect much more quickly, as is their right. Most don't. The only servers that regularly get cut off from the rest of the fediverse are the ones hosting truly vile content, and by that, I don't mean "this person has people in a political party I don't like", but like their public timeline is full of people making 'kill all the black people' "jokes". Darned if I'll tell someone they're wrong for cutting the link to some of the truly, genuinely abhorrent instances out there.
        troupo 3y ago
        > Stop getting your mom signed up on awful, unmoderated servers, then. Ah yes, because it's so easy to figure out which of the thousands of Mastodon servers is not awful and is properly moderated. Or has any guarantees that it will be properly moderated in the future.
  - greesil 3y ago
    And I'm sure Usenet is just fine for the people who are still on it. For the mass market, it might be a different story. It's not like the masses are piling onto mastodon atm so maybe it'll always be niche unless someone finds a way to make a buck with it.
    - dmix 3y ago
      And maybe Signal will win the chat wars considering how much morally / intellectually better everyone feels using it
      - toastal 3y ago
        I hope not. Signal accounts require a phone number and an Android or iOS primary device or you can’t use the service. There are already good, decentralized options that don’t require a phone at all. The time-tested XMPP+OMEMO has the characteristics I need while having the hardware requirements of a toaster compared to other options.
      - Moldoteck 3y ago
        Yeah suuure... They have problems with transfering backups from one platfor to another(you can't officially transfer history from say android to desktop/ios) and this issue is from at least 2015...
      - ikt 3y ago
        I think he means it's not an issue even if Mastodon does remain niche, we're quite happy here how it is, Fosstodon went invite only recently because it felt like the server was becoming too generalised
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  if the alternative is moving straight to enshitten ..... i guess i'll take it? Seems to be basically how technology progresses these days. We just have to keep forking from the point before enshitten to build the next thing each time.
- spookie 3y ago
  Eh, don't worry, there are plenty of instances that won't federate with Threads or other select instances. You have the choice to remain among the people you want. And before someone mentions "that defeats its purpose", it does not. The purpose is for the user to act on its own agency and be wherever it feels right. Federation also enables that.
sp332 3y ago
Is there an actual timeline for that?
- monetus 3y ago
  The developers are taking it seriously but there are no dates as far as I know.

greesil 3y ago

Embrace, extend, enshitten

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
I guess I don't know the ins and outs of this but I imagine if there is any issue, mastodon server administrators will ban the threads servers from federating to their server, and then users can live happily in ignorance of whatever Threads is doing, unless they elect to join or migrate to a server which does federate it.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
  And thus we see the sham of Mastodon, where people are supposed to be able to go for freedom from censorship and jagoff moderators... but where swaths of content or users are banned.
  - greesil 3y ago
    Jagoff moderators are as old, or older, than the internet my friend.
    - ShadowBanThis01 3y ago
      Hahaha, true!
  - simbolit 3y ago
    Once you understand the subtlety, it is no longer "the sham of mastodon": ActivityPub, the protocol, is the freedom you describe. But individual servers, using the mastodon software and activitypub protocol, they may or may not, depending on server admins. If you don't like content bans or user bans, you have three options: (1) find a mastodon server with the same values re freedom/censorship as you have. (2) set up such a server yourself (3) don't use mastodon/ap
    - dmix 3y ago
      Maybe you have those options but anyone outside of the technically savvy (aka the mom test) is not engaging in a system where they are forced into that situation as a rule of using the platform. I'm not recommending a site to my mom where I have to explain why she needs to sign up for a 2nd or 3rd time with a user/pw to access the content she already invested time/energy in finding/following because it got delisted. The early popular services on Mastodon 100% eagerly enforce hyper moderation...so yeah, basically the only large active community there is going to be a very in-group subset of technical users, with some niche services offering broader access. Despite the best possible opportunity coming about with Twitter nothing in the year since then has indicated otherwise.
      - kstrauser 3y ago
        Stop getting your mom signed up on awful, unmoderated servers, then. I manage a Mastodon instance. When I disconnect from another server, I explain the reason to the users on my instance. I've never once disconnected because I disagreed with another server's politics. I have cut off servers that post literal Nazi content (like swastika flags, extreme antisemitism, etc.), content that's illegal in the USA where I live, and other reasons that go far beyond "things I disagree with". I'll continue to do so. And I get new users signing up because they appreciate that I disconnect from that filth. And from what my other admin friends say, that seems to be the standard practice. Sure, there are some instances that disconnect much more quickly, as is their right. Most don't. The only servers that regularly get cut off from the rest of the fediverse are the ones hosting truly vile content, and by that, I don't mean "this person has people in a political party I don't like", but like their public timeline is full of people making 'kill all the black people' "jokes". Darned if I'll tell someone they're wrong for cutting the link to some of the truly, genuinely abhorrent instances out there.
        troupo 3y ago
        > Stop getting your mom signed up on awful, unmoderated servers, then. Ah yes, because it's so easy to figure out which of the thousands of Mastodon servers is not awful and is properly moderated. Or has any guarantees that it will be properly moderated in the future.
- greesil 3y ago
  And I'm sure Usenet is just fine for the people who are still on it. For the mass market, it might be a different story. It's not like the masses are piling onto mastodon atm so maybe it'll always be niche unless someone finds a way to make a buck with it.
  - dmix 3y ago
    And maybe Signal will win the chat wars considering how much morally / intellectually better everyone feels using it
    - toastal 3y ago
      I hope not. Signal accounts require a phone number and an Android or iOS primary device or you can’t use the service. There are already good, decentralized options that don’t require a phone at all. The time-tested XMPP+OMEMO has the characteristics I need while having the hardware requirements of a toaster compared to other options.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      Yeah suuure... They have problems with transfering backups from one platfor to another(you can't officially transfer history from say android to desktop/ios) and this issue is from at least 2015...
    - ikt 3y ago
      I think he means it's not an issue even if Mastodon does remain niche, we're quite happy here how it is, Fosstodon went invite only recently because it felt like the server was becoming too generalised
zmmmmm 3y ago
if the alternative is moving straight to enshitten ..... i guess i'll take it? Seems to be basically how technology progresses these days. We just have to keep forking from the point before enshitten to build the next thing each time.
spookie 3y ago
Eh, don't worry, there are plenty of instances that won't federate with Threads or other select instances. You have the choice to remain among the people you want. And before someone mentions "that defeats its purpose", it does not. The purpose is for the user to act on its own agency and be wherever it feels right. Federation also enables that.

sp332 3y ago

Is there an actual timeline for that?

monetus 3y ago
The developers are taking it seriously but there are no dates as far as I know.