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The French countryside is full of wind turbines, they ruin landscapes and kill millions of birds. Much better than coal smog, but France isn't replacing coal, i

The French countryside is full of wind turbines, they ruin landscapes and kill millions of birds. Much better than coal smog, but France isn't replacing coal, it's replacing nuclear. Makes 0 sense

Ericson2314 3y ago
I don't think they are doing that anymore? I think they've seen the Germans embarrass themselves and are realizing nuclear is actually good.
- Georgelemental 3y ago
  Nuclear requires time to build and expertise to maintain. You can't correct decades of bad policy instantly, even if you have the will to do so (which Macron doesn't).
  - Ericson2314 3y ago
    Well I am saying they are no longer trying to phase out, even if they haven't yet succeeded in phasing back in (e.g. getting all the broken plants back open).
hutzlibu 3y ago
"kill millions of birds." They do, but ... maybe have some perspective: "Merriman concludes that 1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the US each year. This is a lot of birds, but it is only 0.016% of the estimated 7.2 billion birds that live in the US. It is also significantly less than the 5–6.8 million killed each year by communication towers, the 60–80 million killed by automobiles, the 67–90 million killed by pesticides, or the 365 million to one billion killed by cats each year in the US, according to a study published in Nature." https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many... So if you want to protect birds, you can do something about cats.
- notanothereric 3y ago
  And here I thought Perdue was the biggest threat to birds in the US …
maccard 3y ago
> kill millions of birds This is a well trodden anti-wind/anti renewable talking point. See [0], way more birds are killed by cats than by wind turbines. [0] https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many...

The French countryside is full of wind turbines, they ruin landscapes and kill millions of birds. Much better than coal smog, but France isn't replacing coal, it's replacing nuclear. Makes 0 sense

Ericson2314 3y ago

I don't think they are doing that anymore? I think they've seen the Germans embarrass themselves and are realizing nuclear is actually good.

Georgelemental 3y ago
Nuclear requires time to build and expertise to maintain. You can't correct decades of bad policy instantly, even if you have the will to do so (which Macron doesn't).
- Ericson2314 3y ago
  Well I am saying they are no longer trying to phase out, even if they haven't yet succeeded in phasing back in (e.g. getting all the broken plants back open).

hutzlibu 3y ago

"kill millions of birds." They do, but ... maybe have some perspective: "Merriman concludes that 1.17 million birds are killed by wind turbines in the US each year. This is a lot of birds, but it is only 0.016% of the estimated 7.2 billion birds that live in the US. It is also significantly less than the 5–6.8 million killed each year by communication towers, the 60–80 million killed by automobiles, the 67–90 million killed by pesticides, or the 365 million to one billion killed by cats each year in the US, according to a study published in Nature." https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many... So if you want to protect birds, you can do something about cats.

notanothereric 3y ago
And here I thought Perdue was the biggest threat to birds in the US …

maccard 3y ago

> kill millions of birds This is a well trodden anti-wind/anti renewable talking point. See [0], way more birds are killed by cats than by wind turbines. [0] https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many-birds-are-really-killed-by-wind-turbines/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/renewables/weekly-data-how-many...