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> The solution to reduce crime is also logical and clear, but politically unfeasible: extended incarceration. Some form of 3-strike law is on the books in a ma

by l3mure 3y ago

> The solution to reduce crime is also logical and clear, but politically unfeasible: extended incarceration. Some form of 3-strike law is on the books in a majority (28) of US states (including NY), so they clearly are not politically unfeasible, nor are they obviously effective.

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shadowtree 3y ago
Not enforced by DAs, especially post Covid and Bail reform. Here, New York: https://nypost.com/2022/12/04/ny-should-revisit-three-strikes-law-to-fight-crime-ex-gov-david-paterson/amp/ https://nypost.com/2022/12/04/ny-should-revisit-three-strike... Nobody was paying attention the last decade how the social movements destroyed safety. Prop 57 in California, supported by billionaires? Resulted in the release of convicted sex offenders from prison. Turns out rape is a non-violent crime, who knew. Listen to women? Bah.
- l3mure 3y ago
  The Post article says: > The law was later deemed, in part, to be unconstitutional by a federal court, which found that it violated the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a trial by jury. Which appears to be incorrect: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2011/mar/15/second-circuit-new-yorks-persistent-felony-offender-statute-held-constitutional-in-en-banc-ruling/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2011/mar/15/second-circ... > The Second Circuit Court of Appeals found that New York’s Persistent Felony Offender Statute (PFOS), N.Y. Penal Law § 70.10 , which allows enhancement of sentences for prior felony convictions, violated the Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. However, that finding was later reversed by an en banc ruling. Cash bail is a ridiculous concept, and it's good to get rid of it.
joenot443 3y ago
It’s frustrating to see people unfamiliar with the topic asserting things so confidently. The 3-strike law has no effect enforced in NYC when low level crimes are deliberately not prosecuted. Bragg has made it clear this is the strategy going forward for his office, this is what we are expected to get used to.

by l3mure 3y ago

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shadowtree 3y ago

Not enforced by DAs, especially post Covid and Bail reform. Here, New York: https://nypost.com/2022/12/04/ny-should-revisit-three-strikes-law-to-fight-crime-ex-gov-david-paterson/amp/ https://nypost.com/2022/12/04/ny-should-revisit-three-strike... Nobody was paying attention the last decade how the social movements destroyed safety. Prop 57 in California, supported by billionaires? Resulted in the release of convicted sex offenders from prison. Turns out rape is a non-violent crime, who knew. Listen to women? Bah.

l3mure 3y ago
The Post article says: > The law was later deemed, in part, to be unconstitutional by a federal court, which found that it violated the Sixth Amendment guarantee of a trial by jury. Which appears to be incorrect: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2011/mar/15/second-circuit-new-yorks-persistent-felony-offender-statute-held-constitutional-in-en-banc-ruling/ https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2011/mar/15/second-circ... > The Second Circuit Court of Appeals found that New York’s Persistent Felony Offender Statute (PFOS), N.Y. Penal Law § 70.10 , which allows enhancement of sentences for prior felony convictions, violated the Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. However, that finding was later reversed by an en banc ruling. Cash bail is a ridiculous concept, and it's good to get rid of it.

joenot443 3y ago

It’s frustrating to see people unfamiliar with the topic asserting things so confidently. The 3-strike law has no effect enforced in NYC when low level crimes are deliberately not prosecuted. Bragg has made it clear this is the strategy going forward for his office, this is what we are expected to get used to.