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You call it 'cosmic good', but there's nothing cosmic about it, the victims are often right there in court, and it isn't exactly justice if all they get for the

You call it 'cosmic good', but there's nothing cosmic about it, the victims are often right there in court, and it isn't exactly justice if all they get for the suffering that was inflicted on them is to get to see their offender get some therapy and let out to live his life. Eg, a rape victim is likely going to have at least mental scars for much of the rest of their life, there's nothing cosmic about the rapist having to suffer for at least a comparable length of time for inflicting that on the victim.

idontpost 3y ago
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tombert 3y ago
I don't believe that two wrongs make a right. I also don't believe the world is a video game where "suffering points" are counted. I of course feel bad for any victim of a violent crime like murder or rape, but I don't really see how it benefits the world to have the rapist "suffer at least for a comparable length of time as the victim". A rapist should obviously be put in jail to prevent them from raping other people, so I'm not saying that they should be free from consequences, but no, I don't think the world is better place because we have a bureaucratic reenactment of "I Spit on Your Grave". Maybe in some isolated case a violent offender will feel the punishment and pain they're getting and then empathize and feel like they brought it on themself, but I think in a vast majority of cases, the offender has already rationalized what they're doing and just gets increasingly mad at the system. How exactly would you even measure a "comparable length of time of suffering"?
- pseg134 3y ago
  I’m sure you realize how abnormal your opinion is. Most people and societies disagree with you. You shouldn’t speak as of your ideas are inherently correct.
  - tombert 3y ago
    I'm not sure why you are saying this. I never claimed my ideas are inherently correct, I didn't try and provide a syllogism or proof or anything, I just said what I believe. I agree they're not terribly common. That's fine if people disagree.
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  If it is true that retribution does not have deterrence value, and anything we do along that line will just make the criminal more sullen and likely to reoffend in the future, why not just toss the key and be done with it? Life sentences for everyone. Recidivism rate 0%.

idontpost 3y ago

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tombert 3y ago

I don't believe that two wrongs make a right. I also don't believe the world is a video game where "suffering points" are counted. I of course feel bad for any victim of a violent crime like murder or rape, but I don't really see how it benefits the world to have the rapist "suffer at least for a comparable length of time as the victim". A rapist should obviously be put in jail to prevent them from raping other people, so I'm not saying that they should be free from consequences, but no, I don't think the world is better place because we have a bureaucratic reenactment of "I Spit on Your Grave". Maybe in some isolated case a violent offender will feel the punishment and pain they're getting and then empathize and feel like they brought it on themself, but I think in a vast majority of cases, the offender has already rationalized what they're doing and just gets increasingly mad at the system. How exactly would you even measure a "comparable length of time of suffering"?

pseg134 3y ago
I’m sure you realize how abnormal your opinion is. Most people and societies disagree with you. You shouldn’t speak as of your ideas are inherently correct.
- tombert 3y ago
  I'm not sure why you are saying this. I never claimed my ideas are inherently correct, I didn't try and provide a syllogism or proof or anything, I just said what I believe. I agree they're not terribly common. That's fine if people disagree.
rootusrootus 3y ago
If it is true that retribution does not have deterrence value, and anything we do along that line will just make the criminal more sullen and likely to reoffend in the future, why not just toss the key and be done with it? Life sentences for everyone. Recidivism rate 0%.