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Are you sure it isn't the long history of failures of communist countries that has caused people to be soured on this idea?

pydry 3y ago
That's certainly what people who charge rent and own media outlets say. Who am I to disagree with their megaphones?
- Plasmoid 3y ago
  Dude. Are you actually stating that the multiple genocides that have been committed in communist countries were fabricated? Downplaying the killing fields or the Holodomor as invented by the media or landlords is incredibly offensive.
  - pydry 3y ago
    Do you call the holocaust a capitalist genocide? What about when my ancestors were exterminated in the Irish potato famine and the free market was used to justify it? Are you downplaying every genocide that took place in a capitalist country? You denied a historic genocide that killed my ancestors. You think you're offended? Well, I'm not. How can I be offended? You're a basic product of your environment. Youre told that genocides that happen under communist systems are de facto communist genocides. Obvioualy. And genocides that happen under capitalist systems happen for, well, entirely different reasons. Obviously. Realistically though, when pol pot, Stalin and Hitler went on extermination binges to kill enemies (real or imagined) their reasons were much the same... the maintenance of their power. Sorry I mean giving people houses and not charging rent - the two most evil things you could ever do.
    - Plasmoid 3y ago
      > Sorry I mean giving people houses and not charging rent - the two most evil things you could ever do. No. You explicitly advocated for Communism, not "free houses". A social structure that actively grinds human rights into dust. You don't get the play the "communists just want to give people free houses" card without admitting to being hopelessly naive or actively malicious. Stop carrying water for history's greatest monsters.
      - Gunnerhead 3y ago
        As an onlooker to this comment chain I feel like you completely ignored his entire comment, which I thought was a decent argument, and latched on only to the last sentence.
danaris 3y ago
Are you sure a) any of those countries were actually meaningfully "communist", and not merely authoritarian countries calling themselves so, and b) if they were "communist", that this was actually in any significant way causal in the failures?
dragonwriter 3y ago
There have been lots of countries following Leninism and its vanguardist derivatives, and zero other Communist countries. Whatever one's position on whether or not vanguardism is a valid form of Communism, it is a mistake to generalize from vanguardism to all of Communism.

pydry 3y ago

That's certainly what people who charge rent and own media outlets say. Who am I to disagree with their megaphones?

Plasmoid 3y ago
Dude. Are you actually stating that the multiple genocides that have been committed in communist countries were fabricated? Downplaying the killing fields or the Holodomor as invented by the media or landlords is incredibly offensive.
- pydry 3y ago
  Do you call the holocaust a capitalist genocide? What about when my ancestors were exterminated in the Irish potato famine and the free market was used to justify it? Are you downplaying every genocide that took place in a capitalist country? You denied a historic genocide that killed my ancestors. You think you're offended? Well, I'm not. How can I be offended? You're a basic product of your environment. Youre told that genocides that happen under communist systems are de facto communist genocides. Obvioualy. And genocides that happen under capitalist systems happen for, well, entirely different reasons. Obviously. Realistically though, when pol pot, Stalin and Hitler went on extermination binges to kill enemies (real or imagined) their reasons were much the same... the maintenance of their power. Sorry I mean giving people houses and not charging rent - the two most evil things you could ever do.
  - Plasmoid 3y ago
    > Sorry I mean giving people houses and not charging rent - the two most evil things you could ever do. No. You explicitly advocated for Communism, not "free houses". A social structure that actively grinds human rights into dust. You don't get the play the "communists just want to give people free houses" card without admitting to being hopelessly naive or actively malicious. Stop carrying water for history's greatest monsters.
    - Gunnerhead 3y ago
      As an onlooker to this comment chain I feel like you completely ignored his entire comment, which I thought was a decent argument, and latched on only to the last sentence.

danaris 3y ago

Are you sure a) any of those countries were actually meaningfully "communist", and not merely authoritarian countries calling themselves so, and b) if they were "communist", that this was actually in any significant way causal in the failures?

dragonwriter 3y ago

There have been lots of countries following Leninism and its vanguardist derivatives, and zero other Communist countries. Whatever one's position on whether or not vanguardism is a valid form of Communism, it is a mistake to generalize from vanguardism to all of Communism.