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Or you know... just the united states today. Gas station attendants get shot here without them even trying to play hero. At least a few every year.

trimethylpurine 3y ago
Murder rate in the UK is roughly the same. It's lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita. Considering the lax immigration process in the US the crime rate is exceptionally low.
- ed_elliott_asc 3y ago
  Are you sure? I had us murder rate as about 6 per 100k and Uk at 11 per million so much less than us. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=U.S.%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for,a%201.14%25%20increase%20from%202018 https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd.... [2] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/march2022#:~:text=Longer%20term%20trends%20in%20homicide,health%20restrictions%20(Figure%201) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand....
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    Yes. It's 1.6/100k vs 6/100k. That's pretty damn close. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti... And let's not compare a slice of the US the size of the UK or it will be zero. Maybe the better comparison is US vs EU. Or would that be too unfavorable for your argument?
- webnrrd2k 3y ago
  your statement that "the murder rate... is lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita" is largely bullshit. Even the laziest of googling "crime and immigration rates per capita" shows that. At best, the relationship is weak, and not well understood.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    It's pretty strong in this list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti... Crime and poverty being linked is not poorly understood. It's pretty well known. Therefore importing poverty increases crime as it increases poverty, regardless of your moral sentiment. The US is simply more successful at importing poverty and assimilating class disparity than other countries.
    - webnrrd2k 3y ago
      This connection is even more tenuous than your original claim that "the murder rate... lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita". Now you're talking about crime and poverty, not murder and immigration. Also, the first paragraph of you link explicitly says: "reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary". I think k your argument is largely bs, and I'm not interested in researching the citations. The second paragraph reads "Research suggests that intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[6] They may also be under-reported for political reasons." I don't think this list even makes the point that you seem to think it does, or, at least, doesn't make the point very well.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  A better correlation - Lower inequality countries have much less violent crime.
  - trimethylpurine 3y ago
    So the US is less unequal despite having the highest immigration rate from the poorest countries. I agree.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  I love that this was downvoted and then all the linked pages in protest agree with me. Did you guys downvote because you don't like to know the truth? Do you wish the US was as horrible as the TV told you?

trimethylpurine 3y ago

Murder rate in the UK is roughly the same. It's lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita. Considering the lax immigration process in the US the crime rate is exceptionally low.

ed_elliott_asc 3y ago
Are you sure? I had us murder rate as about 6 per 100k and Uk at 11 per million so much less than us. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate#:~:text=U.S.%20murder%2Fhomicide%20rate%20for,a%201.14%25%20increase%20from%202018 https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd.... [2] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/march2022#:~:text=Longer%20term%20trends%20in%20homicide,health%20restrictions%20(Figure%201) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand....
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  Yes. It's 1.6/100k vs 6/100k. That's pretty damn close. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti... And let's not compare a slice of the US the size of the UK or it will be zero. Maybe the better comparison is US vs EU. Or would that be too unfavorable for your argument?
webnrrd2k 3y ago
your statement that "the murder rate... is lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita" is largely bullshit. Even the laziest of googling "crime and immigration rates per capita" shows that. At best, the relationship is weak, and not well understood.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  It's pretty strong in this list. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intenti... Crime and poverty being linked is not poorly understood. It's pretty well known. Therefore importing poverty increases crime as it increases poverty, regardless of your moral sentiment. The US is simply more successful at importing poverty and assimilating class disparity than other countries.
  - webnrrd2k 3y ago
    This connection is even more tenuous than your original claim that "the murder rate... lowest in countries with low immigration rates per capita". Now you're talking about crime and poverty, not murder and immigration. Also, the first paragraph of you link explicitly says: "reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary". I think k your argument is largely bs, and I'm not interested in researching the citations. The second paragraph reads "Research suggests that intentional homicide demographics are affected by changes in trauma care, leading to changed lethality of violent assaults, so the intentional homicide rate may not necessarily indicate the overall level of societal violence.[6] They may also be under-reported for political reasons." I don't think this list even makes the point that you seem to think it does, or, at least, doesn't make the point very well.
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
A better correlation - Lower inequality countries have much less violent crime.
- trimethylpurine 3y ago
  So the US is less unequal despite having the highest immigration rate from the poorest countries. I agree.
trimethylpurine 3y ago
I love that this was downvoted and then all the linked pages in protest agree with me. Did you guys downvote because you don't like to know the truth? Do you wish the US was as horrible as the TV told you?