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Does the Fairphone support de-Googling? I'm currently on iOS, but something like this is appealing to me if it can be can potentially be more privacy friendly t

Does the Fairphone support de-Googling? I'm currently on iOS, but something like this is appealing to me if it can be can potentially be more privacy friendly than iOS and other Android distributions.

boudin 3y ago
Fairphone phones have a good history of supporting alternative operating systems, like lineageos: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ or /e/ https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP4 https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP4 (which also sells fairphones with their os pre-installed. They document how to unlock the bootloader here: https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10492476238865-Manage-the-bootloader https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/104924762388...
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  They also support Ubuntu touch
lucideer 3y ago
The Fairphone company's primary focus is on fair hardware: supply-chain ethical materials sourcing & fair factory wages. Software "fairness" is very much a secondary focus, so while they're open to de-Googling it's not something they actively support or commit resources to. e.g. The warranty is temporarily invalidated by installing a de-Googled OS but can be "restored" by re-installing Android. They do however partner witht another company - Murena - to offer deGoogled phones[0]. They have a full breakdown of it here[1] [0] https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5-fr/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho... [1] https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9979154556817 https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/997915455681...
- NewJazz 3y ago
  while they're open to de-Googling it's not something they actively support or commit resources to I am not sure if this is entirely accurate. I agree that degoogled software is not their primary focus, but one Fairphone employee, Luca Weiss, has been pretty active in the postmarketOS community. For example, he submitted the initial port of pmOS to the FP5: https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/4359 https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/43... Perhaps that was in his "off time", but just as likely is that Fairphone the company is carving out some resources to porting efforts like that.
  - lucideer 3y ago
    > one Fairphone employee > Perhaps that was in his "off time" I was more talking about the company's primary focus - they may well have (limited) resources working to it (whether it's off time or dedicated), but it's certainly not one of their top priorities. That said: even the facts that they have (a) multiple pages on their website documenting deGoogling & maintained a list of working alternative OS versions & (b) an active partnership with a 3rd-party offering this service - these indicate that this is at least a priority for the company, just not a top priority.
NewJazz 3y ago
CalyxOS supports at least the FP4. https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ PostmarketOS is supposedly booting on the FP5. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp... E foundation sells a version of the FP4 that has their degoogled /e/OS preinstalled. https://e.foundation/fairphone-and-e-expand-the-availability-of-e-os-to-fairphone-3-plus-users/ https://e.foundation/fairphone-and-e-expand-the-availability... I'd say the pieces are there to load aftermarket software that is degoogled.
SahAssar 3y ago
Yes, but I don't know if there are ready made ROMs for the 5 yet. I ran CalyxOS on my 4, and it officially supports running alternate OS:es.

boudin 3y ago

Fairphone phones have a good history of supporting alternative operating systems, like lineageos: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ or /e/ https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP4 https://doc.e.foundation/devices/FP4 (which also sells fairphones with their os pre-installed. They document how to unlock the bootloader here: https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10492476238865-Manage-the-bootloader https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/104924762388...

Moldoteck 3y ago
They also support Ubuntu touch

lucideer 3y ago

The Fairphone company's primary focus is on fair hardware: supply-chain ethical materials sourcing & fair factory wages. Software "fairness" is very much a secondary focus, so while they're open to de-Googling it's not something they actively support or commit resources to. e.g. The warranty is temporarily invalidated by installing a de-Googled OS but can be "restored" by re-installing Android. They do however partner witht another company - Murena - to offer deGoogled phones[0]. They have a full breakdown of it here[1] [0] https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-5-fr/ https://murena.com/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairpho... [1] https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9979154556817 https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/997915455681...

NewJazz 3y ago
while they're open to de-Googling it's not something they actively support or commit resources to I am not sure if this is entirely accurate. I agree that degoogled software is not their primary focus, but one Fairphone employee, Luca Weiss, has been pretty active in the postmarketOS community. For example, he submitted the initial port of pmOS to the FP5: https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/4359 https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/43... Perhaps that was in his "off time", but just as likely is that Fairphone the company is carving out some resources to porting efforts like that.
- lucideer 3y ago
  > one Fairphone employee > Perhaps that was in his "off time" I was more talking about the company's primary focus - they may well have (limited) resources working to it (whether it's off time or dedicated), but it's certainly not one of their top priorities. That said: even the facts that they have (a) multiple pages on their website documenting deGoogling & maintained a list of working alternative OS versions & (b) an active partnership with a 3rd-party offering this service - these indicate that this is at least a priority for the company, just not a top priority.

NewJazz 3y ago

CalyxOS supports at least the FP4. https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/ PostmarketOS is supposedly booting on the FP5. https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp5) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Fairphone_5_(fairphone-fp... E foundation sells a version of the FP4 that has their degoogled /e/OS preinstalled. https://e.foundation/fairphone-and-e-expand-the-availability-of-e-os-to-fairphone-3-plus-users/ https://e.foundation/fairphone-and-e-expand-the-availability... I'd say the pieces are there to load aftermarket software that is degoogled.

SahAssar 3y ago

Yes, but I don't know if there are ready made ROMs for the 5 yet. I ran CalyxOS on my 4, and it officially supports running alternate OS:es.