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Vatniksoup: Elon Musk

20 points by app4soft 3y ago

tjrgergw 3y ago
Without going into the details of how and why any specific person came to have a specific belief, I have the following heuristic: when someone makes a claim, especially when the stakes are high, I ask "who does that benefit?" Now that doesn't mean that they're intentionally trying to benefit whomever that benefits. It doesn't mean that they're wrong. So, Russia invaded and occupied Ukraine. Who does it benefit to be claiming "there should be peace?" Obviously it benefits the invader. It's easy to have peace, you just have to surrender. Another heuristic that I have is to ask: "do this person's claims always benefit the same side?"
- armitron 3y ago
  Ukraine is a broken country and the more this war goes on the worse it's going to get. So I'd say it certainly benefits a lot of Ukrainian men who are destined for an early grave "that there should be peace". Every realist out there can see that -absent WW3- Ukraine will lose this war, the only question being the scale of destruction and the number of the dead.
  - tjrgergw 3y ago
    This is loser talk. I'm glad you're not in charge of anything.
  - Zigurd 3y ago
    You will say the same about Latvia when, after Ukraine, Putin invades.
    - tjrgergw 3y ago
      I just said "peace is easy, you just have to surrender" as a caricature of these people, and immediately one of them shows up.
ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
Man donates millions of dollars of state of the art technology to Ukraine -> Russian asset. Makes perfect sense.
- Zigurd 3y ago
  Then nerfs it.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Any evidence? Not enabling Starlink in sanctioned country -> Russian asset. Imagine the furore if he did actually enabled it...
app4soft 3y ago
Now the most interesting is that there are many reports today (with screenshots & screenrecords) by Twitter/X users on disappearing own likes and thousands of likes has been removed during a day from counter under original thread tweets[0].[1,2] [0] https://nitter.net/P_Kallioniemi/status/1674360288445964288 https://nitter.net/P_Kallioniemi/status/1674360288445964288 (original thread header tweet) [1] https://nitter.net/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1709254758777630974 https://nitter.net/RpsAgainstTrump/status/170925475877763097... [2] https://nitter.net/GlasnostGone/status/1709243280431493592 https://nitter.net/GlasnostGone/status/1709243280431493592 [3] https://nitter.net/sternenko/status/1709248947645018197 https://nitter.net/sternenko/status/1709248947645018197 [4] https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1709216833214001204 https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1709216833214001204 [5] https://nitter.net/Neyasit_alt/status/1709254624085954911 https://nitter.net/Neyasit_alt/status/1709254624085954911
- app4soft 3y ago
  There is now likes tracker chart created.[0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37761950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37761950

20 points by app4soft 3y ago

Without going into the details of how and why any specific person came to have a specific belief, I have the following heuristic: when someone makes a claim, especially when the stakes are high, I ask "who does that benefit?" Now that doesn't mean that they're intentionally trying to benefit whomever that benefits. It doesn't mean that they're wrong. So, Russia invaded and occupied Ukraine. Who does it benefit to be claiming "there should be peace?" Obviously it benefits the invader. It's easy to have peace, you just have to surrender. Another heuristic that I have is to ask: "do this person's claims always benefit the same side?"

armitron 3y ago
Ukraine is a broken country and the more this war goes on the worse it's going to get. So I'd say it certainly benefits a lot of Ukrainian men who are destined for an early grave "that there should be peace". Every realist out there can see that -absent WW3- Ukraine will lose this war, the only question being the scale of destruction and the number of the dead.
- tjrgergw 3y ago
  This is loser talk. I'm glad you're not in charge of anything.
- Zigurd 3y ago
  You will say the same about Latvia when, after Ukraine, Putin invades.
  - tjrgergw 3y ago
    I just said "peace is easy, you just have to surrender" as a caricature of these people, and immediately one of them shows up.

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago

Man donates millions of dollars of state of the art technology to Ukraine -> Russian asset. Makes perfect sense.

Zigurd 3y ago
Then nerfs it.
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  Any evidence? Not enabling Starlink in sanctioned country -> Russian asset. Imagine the furore if he did actually enabled it...

app4soft 3y ago

Now the most interesting is that there are many reports today (with screenshots & screenrecords) by Twitter/X users on disappearing own likes and thousands of likes has been removed during a day from counter under original thread tweets[0].[1,2] [0] https://nitter.net/P_Kallioniemi/status/1674360288445964288 https://nitter.net/P_Kallioniemi/status/1674360288445964288 (original thread header tweet) [1] https://nitter.net/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1709254758777630974 https://nitter.net/RpsAgainstTrump/status/170925475877763097... [2] https://nitter.net/GlasnostGone/status/1709243280431493592 https://nitter.net/GlasnostGone/status/1709243280431493592 [3] https://nitter.net/sternenko/status/1709248947645018197 https://nitter.net/sternenko/status/1709248947645018197 [4] https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1709216833214001204 https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1709216833214001204 [5] https://nitter.net/Neyasit_alt/status/1709254624085954911 https://nitter.net/Neyasit_alt/status/1709254624085954911

app4soft 3y ago
There is now likes tracker chart created.[0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37761950 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37761950