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> apparently they waited outside a few weeks to give the Germans time to kill as many remaining civilians as possible so they could set up shop themselves That

by reisse 3y ago

> apparently they waited outside a few weeks to give the Germans time to kill as many remaining civilians as possible so they could set up shop themselves That's... a misrepresentation of a complex historical event, to say the least. Polish government-in-exile made a bet that Home Army forces could overthrow Germans on their own and restore 1939 border with Soviet Union. And Home Army explicitly planned Operation Tempest to be executed before Red Army liberated the whole Poland. Should they succeeded, Soviets would have to negotiate with a sovereign Poland, instead of coming there as a heroes-who-liberated-Poland-from-Germans. As the history goes, the bet failed an the uprising was drowned in blood. But it's stupid to blame Soviets for not helping the regime which was profoundly anti-Soviet. History knows no ifs, but should Poles cooperate back then, probably they could achieved the same result with a lot less of blood. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising

wkat4242 3y ago
Isn't that what it says there? > The Red Army did not reinforce resistance fighters or provide air support. Recently declassified documents show Joseph Stalin tactically halted his forces to let the operation fail and allow the Polish resistance to be crushed.[19] However I didn't have time to read the whole thing. Maybe I'm cherrypicking from the first paragraphs :)
- reisse 3y ago
  Of course the Red Army did not support resistance fighters! Resistance was both anti-nazi and anti-communist. Despite also fighting against nazi, they were not their allies, Soviets had zero reasons to help them. And resistance fighters knew that and didn't expect any help from Soviets. The way OP frames the situation it sounds like the resistance failed because Soviets didn't help them. In reality resistance failed because they've miscalculated their powers against Germans, and because they did everything to ensure that Soviets won't help them.

by reisse 3y ago

wkat4242 3y ago

Isn't that what it says there? > The Red Army did not reinforce resistance fighters or provide air support. Recently declassified documents show Joseph Stalin tactically halted his forces to let the operation fail and allow the Polish resistance to be crushed.[19] However I didn't have time to read the whole thing. Maybe I'm cherrypicking from the first paragraphs :)

reisse 3y ago
Of course the Red Army did not support resistance fighters! Resistance was both anti-nazi and anti-communist. Despite also fighting against nazi, they were not their allies, Soviets had zero reasons to help them. And resistance fighters knew that and didn't expect any help from Soviets. The way OP frames the situation it sounds like the resistance failed because Soviets didn't help them. In reality resistance failed because they've miscalculated their powers against Germans, and because they did everything to ensure that Soviets won't help them.