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I actually don't have problems with ads. Never did. I think the ad-driven business model was better for the internet since most services/information sites were

I actually don't have problems with ads. Never did. I think the ad-driven business model was better for the internet since most services/information sites were free. Now most things are locked behind paywalls.

Ajay-p 3y ago
Mine is a love hate relationship. Social media is not worth the value to pay for it, and I use every means necessary to block and ignore ads. However, even if I pay to stop the ads the website will still collect and sell my personal data. Further, it has been demonstrated by Prime, Hulu, and others, that even if you pay that still does not stop them from inserting advertisements in the future.
- EGreg 3y ago
  Just because you pay doesn’t mean you aren’t the product.
- candiodari 3y ago
  THIS is the problem. Software, from games to business applications has the general problem that people don't consider it worth what it costs to produce. Most "tech" companies can't exist, and certainly cannot be the size they are, based on paying customers. If you look at even very cheap providers like fastmail or protonmail, who provide a decent subset of office products online for a subscription fee ... they're <100 people companies, and not for lack of trying to grow.
coldpie 3y ago
I also don't have a problem with ads. I have a problem with big businesses tracking every piece of data they can about every individual, selling that data to anyone who asks, and manipulating what they show to their users to achieve the highest ad impressions.
- deafpolygon 3y ago
  Yes, and I have a problem with them double-dipping. Charging for an ad-free experience, and still selling my data to the highest bidder.
- daitangio 3y ago
  Yeah this is the problem, and paying for the exact same ad-free service does not seem a solution to me.
- monetus 3y ago
  Meta isn't securus thankfully. Someone really ought to go after those bottom feeding monstrosities who actually sell your data.
  - coldpie 3y ago
    What? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_with_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_with_Facebook
    - monetus 3y ago
      Cambridge analytica involved actually bribery and apis that are now locked... can you buy realtime location data, or anything about me? How easily can you infer things about me via their platform since they locked down their APIs a decade ago almost? "They are all the same" is not a logical pov when you compare a monstrosity like securus with a behemoth like meta. Securus sells your data. Meta sells access to your eyeballs. Edit: I don't like defending advertisings behemoths; Securus and their ilk don't deserve to have a patsy however.
baby 3y ago
Have you tried watching youtube without a subscription lately?
- CSMastermind 3y ago
  My friend does this and it was genuinely jarring when I was watching with them.
  - monetus 3y ago
    Oddly, Chromecasting seems to remove most of them.
- xinayder 3y ago
  Have you tried using an ad blocker on youtube?
  - baby 3y ago
    No because I pay for youtube. But I’m curious How would that work on iOS?
    - candiodari 3y ago
      pihole
      - baby 3y ago
        ?
kibwen 3y ago
I have a problem with ads. They are a race to the bottom of psychological manipulation where the ultimate goal is to manufacture discontent in the general populace, thereby inducing artificial demand to drive consumption. In other words, invent a product that solves a problem that does not exist, then fool people into thinking they have that problem, then sell them the solution to their fake problem, thereby making them poorer for no actual benefit. Viewing ads is atrocious mental hygiene, in the same way that eating a meal after dipping your hands in feces is poor physical hygiene.
- EGreg 3y ago
  Yep that’s right. I’ve been saying that for years. Ads are in a race to the bottom, it is a tragedy of the unmanaged commons and the commons is human attention. In most “socialist” countries, ads did not intrude in your life. But actually, it is worse than just ads. Capitalism can harm freedom of speech, and for-profit online platforms shape it in such a way that society gets more and more polarized and depressed. Record levels of depression and sadness in teenage girls One fifth of middle aged women on antidepressants There are solutions, but they involve different economics: https://rational.app https://rational.app If anyone wants to get involved — feel free to email me. I did a couple interviews with Noam Chomsky on this subject: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPZ8rSESZo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPZ8rSESZo https://community.qbix.com/t/freedom-of-speech-and-capitalism-in-2021-interview-with-noam-chomsky-political-commentator/158 https://community.qbix.com/t/freedom-of-speech-and-capitalis... And also David Harvey and Thomas Greco: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezf7wxJ7whA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezf7wxJ7whA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6iHAG3lx4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6iHAG3lx4
b112 3y ago
If you adblock, you have a problem with ads. Do you? (And if you don't, I bet many who claim as you have, do)
- baby 3y ago
  You can’t adblock on iphones :(
  - dave8088 3y ago
    You’ve been able to on Safari for iOS for years: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id1365531024 https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id13655310...
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      And there are apps like 1Blocker [1] that will block in-app tracking, too. [1] https://support.1blocker.com/en/articles/6436221-firewall-in-app-ads https://support.1blocker.com/en/articles/6436221-firewall-in...
      - bad_user 3y ago
        That's DNS-level blocking and it won't work for long, being the kind of ad-blocking that's the easiest to circumvent. Companies simply didn't bother to do it. But as a test, try blocking ads in any social app, like Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, Reddit, see how well it works.
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  - bad_user 3y ago
    Facebook is also deploying anti-adblock tech, so even on the desktop, even when ad-blocking seems to work, it's only temporary. uBlock Origin or Brave, doesn't matter, Facebook beats all ad-blockers.

Ajay-p 3y ago

Mine is a love hate relationship. Social media is not worth the value to pay for it, and I use every means necessary to block and ignore ads. However, even if I pay to stop the ads the website will still collect and sell my personal data. Further, it has been demonstrated by Prime, Hulu, and others, that even if you pay that still does not stop them from inserting advertisements in the future.

EGreg 3y ago
Just because you pay doesn’t mean you aren’t the product.
candiodari 3y ago
THIS is the problem. Software, from games to business applications has the general problem that people don't consider it worth what it costs to produce. Most "tech" companies can't exist, and certainly cannot be the size they are, based on paying customers. If you look at even very cheap providers like fastmail or protonmail, who provide a decent subset of office products online for a subscription fee ... they're <100 people companies, and not for lack of trying to grow.

coldpie 3y ago

I also don't have a problem with ads. I have a problem with big businesses tracking every piece of data they can about every individual, selling that data to anyone who asks, and manipulating what they show to their users to achieve the highest ad impressions.

deafpolygon 3y ago
Yes, and I have a problem with them double-dipping. Charging for an ad-free experience, and still selling my data to the highest bidder.
daitangio 3y ago
Yeah this is the problem, and paying for the exact same ad-free service does not seem a solution to me.
monetus 3y ago
Meta isn't securus thankfully. Someone really ought to go after those bottom feeding monstrosities who actually sell your data.
- coldpie 3y ago
  What? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_with_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy_concerns_with_Facebook
  - monetus 3y ago
    Cambridge analytica involved actually bribery and apis that are now locked... can you buy realtime location data, or anything about me? How easily can you infer things about me via their platform since they locked down their APIs a decade ago almost? "They are all the same" is not a logical pov when you compare a monstrosity like securus with a behemoth like meta. Securus sells your data. Meta sells access to your eyeballs. Edit: I don't like defending advertisings behemoths; Securus and their ilk don't deserve to have a patsy however.

baby 3y ago

Have you tried watching youtube without a subscription lately?

CSMastermind 3y ago
My friend does this and it was genuinely jarring when I was watching with them.
- monetus 3y ago
  Oddly, Chromecasting seems to remove most of them.
xinayder 3y ago
Have you tried using an ad blocker on youtube?
- baby 3y ago
  No because I pay for youtube. But I’m curious How would that work on iOS?
  - candiodari 3y ago
    pihole
    - baby 3y ago
      ?

kibwen 3y ago

I have a problem with ads. They are a race to the bottom of psychological manipulation where the ultimate goal is to manufacture discontent in the general populace, thereby inducing artificial demand to drive consumption. In other words, invent a product that solves a problem that does not exist, then fool people into thinking they have that problem, then sell them the solution to their fake problem, thereby making them poorer for no actual benefit. Viewing ads is atrocious mental hygiene, in the same way that eating a meal after dipping your hands in feces is poor physical hygiene.

EGreg 3y ago
Yep that’s right. I’ve been saying that for years. Ads are in a race to the bottom, it is a tragedy of the unmanaged commons and the commons is human attention. In most “socialist” countries, ads did not intrude in your life. But actually, it is worse than just ads. Capitalism can harm freedom of speech, and for-profit online platforms shape it in such a way that society gets more and more polarized and depressed. Record levels of depression and sadness in teenage girls One fifth of middle aged women on antidepressants There are solutions, but they involve different economics: https://rational.app https://rational.app If anyone wants to get involved — feel free to email me. I did a couple interviews with Noam Chomsky on this subject: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPZ8rSESZo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wUPZ8rSESZo https://community.qbix.com/t/freedom-of-speech-and-capitalism-in-2021-interview-with-noam-chomsky-political-commentator/158 https://community.qbix.com/t/freedom-of-speech-and-capitalis... And also David Harvey and Thomas Greco: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezf7wxJ7whA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ezf7wxJ7whA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6iHAG3lx4 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6iHAG3lx4

b112 3y ago

If you adblock, you have a problem with ads. Do you? (And if you don't, I bet many who claim as you have, do)

baby 3y ago
You can’t adblock on iphones :(
- dave8088 3y ago
  You’ve been able to on Safari for iOS for years: https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id1365531024 https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/1blocker-ad-blocker/id13655310...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    And there are apps like 1Blocker [1] that will block in-app tracking, too. [1] https://support.1blocker.com/en/articles/6436221-firewall-in-app-ads https://support.1blocker.com/en/articles/6436221-firewall-in...
    - bad_user 3y ago
      That's DNS-level blocking and it won't work for long, being the kind of ad-blocking that's the easiest to circumvent. Companies simply didn't bother to do it. But as a test, try blocking ads in any social app, like Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, Reddit, see how well it works.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
- bad_user 3y ago
  Facebook is also deploying anti-adblock tech, so even on the desktop, even when ad-blocking seems to work, it's only temporary. uBlock Origin or Brave, doesn't matter, Facebook beats all ad-blockers.