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What makes a case extreme? When Breivik was aged 4, and living in Oslo's Frogner borough, two reports were filed expressing concern about his mental health.[47

What makes a case extreme? When Breivik was aged 4, and living in Oslo's Frogner borough, two reports were filed expressing concern about his mental health.[47] A psychologist in one report made a note of the boy's peculiar smile, suggesting it was not anchored in his emotions but was rather a deliberate response to his environment.[48] In another report from Norway's National Centre for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (SSBU), concerns were raised about how Breivik was treated by his mother: "[s]he 'sexualised' the young Breivik, hit him, and frequently told him that she wished that he were dead." See also https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/9592433/Anders-Behring-Breiviks-mother-sexualised-him-when-he-was-four.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/959... See also his Psychiatric evaluation under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik Whatever he did, I have doubts that he was sane. But the question is, which problem does the death penalty really solve? Deterrence? Most death penalty countries have very high crime rates. Prevent another crime from the same individual? Life without parole has the same effect. PS: Reading about Breivik, he was probably insane or at least on the border of insanity during his crimes. Judging by his actions in prison, he is at least insane by now. I doubt that he well get released after 21 years served and will get preventive detention. So basically, since he is mentally sick now he can't get released from prison, a place where he likely should not have been held in the first place.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> What makes a case extreme? A rate of occurrence so low it is best described in terms like 'extreme outlier', 'vanishingly rare' or 'unprecedented'.
- throwaway447 3y ago
  You a right here, this may allow the case to be called extreme. But I am not sure he deserves the death penalty. Extreme outliers are often used to justify extreme measures. The question is, should they? In an EU country we had just a murder case, a teen was murders by two girls, aged 13 and 12. Since this is below of the age of criminal responsibility for the country, where they were committed, people argued the age for criminal responsibility should be lowered to 12 or even below. Are extreme outliers a good basis for this? And if age of criminal responsibility is lowered to 12 or 10, should not the "age of consent" be lowered to 12 or 10 too?
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    Kindly, I think your logic here is too untethered from empathy to lead to positive questions. I think it's not an unusual state for someone to pass thru while they're still developing empathy. In this case the well-being of the minors is being allowed to slip below the quality of legal machinations. That said, I feel downvotes without explanations are unhelpful here.
INTPenis 3y ago
So you're trying to say that because he's clearly insane from an abusive childhood that putting him to death would not be a deterrent? I disagree. Keeping him alive sends a message to every right wing nut out there that it doesn't matter how many children you massacre beause you'll be kept alive in a humane norwegian prison for the rest of your life as a symbol to all your followers.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > So you're trying to say that because he's clearly insane from an abusive childhood that putting him to death would not be a deterrent? That is not what they're saying. The claimed deterrence from the death penalty is to give pause to would-be murderers such that they don't actually commit murder. Putting Breivik to death obviously does not serve as a deterrent to Breivik's past crimes and, while it can ensure that future crimes also do not occur, so can putting him in prison.
  - INTPenis 3y ago
    Well to me, and to many others, death is final. Putting him away immediately would put him out of people's minds and send a signal to anyone who wants to achieve notoriety that there is nothing there but finality and obscurity. Instead he keeps re-appearing in media whenever he complains or tries to get a case going. And even if he didn't, his followers till know he's there and can continue praising him for his sick ideas.

WarOnPrivacy 3y ago

> What makes a case extreme? A rate of occurrence so low it is best described in terms like 'extreme outlier', 'vanishingly rare' or 'unprecedented'.

throwaway447 3y ago
You a right here, this may allow the case to be called extreme. But I am not sure he deserves the death penalty. Extreme outliers are often used to justify extreme measures. The question is, should they? In an EU country we had just a murder case, a teen was murders by two girls, aged 13 and 12. Since this is below of the age of criminal responsibility for the country, where they were committed, people argued the age for criminal responsibility should be lowered to 12 or even below. Are extreme outliers a good basis for this? And if age of criminal responsibility is lowered to 12 or 10, should not the "age of consent" be lowered to 12 or 10 too?
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  Kindly, I think your logic here is too untethered from empathy to lead to positive questions. I think it's not an unusual state for someone to pass thru while they're still developing empathy. In this case the well-being of the minors is being allowed to slip below the quality of legal machinations. That said, I feel downvotes without explanations are unhelpful here.

INTPenis 3y ago

So you're trying to say that because he's clearly insane from an abusive childhood that putting him to death would not be a deterrent? I disagree. Keeping him alive sends a message to every right wing nut out there that it doesn't matter how many children you massacre beause you'll be kept alive in a humane norwegian prison for the rest of your life as a symbol to all your followers.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
> So you're trying to say that because he's clearly insane from an abusive childhood that putting him to death would not be a deterrent? That is not what they're saying. The claimed deterrence from the death penalty is to give pause to would-be murderers such that they don't actually commit murder. Putting Breivik to death obviously does not serve as a deterrent to Breivik's past crimes and, while it can ensure that future crimes also do not occur, so can putting him in prison.
- INTPenis 3y ago
  Well to me, and to many others, death is final. Putting him away immediately would put him out of people's minds and send a signal to anyone who wants to achieve notoriety that there is nothing there but finality and obscurity. Instead he keeps re-appearing in media whenever he complains or tries to get a case going. And even if he didn't, his followers till know he's there and can continue praising him for his sick ideas.