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It also seems a bit strange for the company to have an overarching goal around building a "metaverse", but not to try to figure out how they themselves might us

It also seems a bit strange for the company to have an overarching goal around building a "metaverse", but not to try to figure out how they themselves might use those tools for their own work. No appetite for their own dogfood?

danielbln 3y ago
Especially with the new Metaverse tech that can be seen in the Lex Fridman interview. No-one gives a damn about those weird comic avatars, but a real representation of a human including facial movements etc., that might more interesting.
- jraph 3y ago
  > but a real representation of a human including facial movements Probably at high risk of landing in the uncanny valley, it has to be executed very well, so well I'm not sure it possible at this time.
  - danielbln 3y ago
    I'd say it's past the uncanny valley overall: https://youtu.be/MVYrJJNdrEg?feature=shared&t=799 https://youtu.be/MVYrJJNdrEg?feature=shared&t=799
    - iainmerrick 3y ago
      I feel like this is kind of missing the forest for the trees. Making super-realistic telepresence in VR is really hard -- absolutely. And Meta is the kind of huge tech company that might have the resources to do it. But do you need super-realistic telepresence to be a useful remote work tool? Who knows? Slack is fairly useful for remote work (arguably) and it's mostly just text, emoji and meme images. Online text chat has been around for decades and Slack is a decent implementation of it (way easier for most people than IRC, for example). What are some more useful tools that could be made for remote work, and why isn't Meta building those? Edit to add: if you're taking Snow Crash as your starting point for "metaverse", I think the important point is not "it's a super-realistic VR experience"; the point is that "it's a cool and useful place where people like to hang out, so a lot of life and work happens there".
      - danielbln 3y ago
        Yet even with Slack around we still do video meetings, every day. So clearly there is something that Slack does not cover, and a video call is good enough in many ways, but it's certainly doesn't capture the sort of face to face, in-a-meetingroom-together sort of feeling. How important that is for productivity, I don't know, I could think of a few usecases like brainstorming and such.

danielbln 3y ago

Especially with the new Metaverse tech that can be seen in the Lex Fridman interview. No-one gives a damn about those weird comic avatars, but a real representation of a human including facial movements etc., that might more interesting.

jraph 3y ago
> but a real representation of a human including facial movements Probably at high risk of landing in the uncanny valley, it has to be executed very well, so well I'm not sure it possible at this time.
- danielbln 3y ago
  I'd say it's past the uncanny valley overall: https://youtu.be/MVYrJJNdrEg?feature=shared&t=799 https://youtu.be/MVYrJJNdrEg?feature=shared&t=799
  - iainmerrick 3y ago
    I feel like this is kind of missing the forest for the trees. Making super-realistic telepresence in VR is really hard -- absolutely. And Meta is the kind of huge tech company that might have the resources to do it. But do you need super-realistic telepresence to be a useful remote work tool? Who knows? Slack is fairly useful for remote work (arguably) and it's mostly just text, emoji and meme images. Online text chat has been around for decades and Slack is a decent implementation of it (way easier for most people than IRC, for example). What are some more useful tools that could be made for remote work, and why isn't Meta building those? Edit to add: if you're taking Snow Crash as your starting point for "metaverse", I think the important point is not "it's a super-realistic VR experience"; the point is that "it's a cool and useful place where people like to hang out, so a lot of life and work happens there".
    - danielbln 3y ago
      Yet even with Slack around we still do video meetings, every day. So clearly there is something that Slack does not cover, and a video call is good enough in many ways, but it's certainly doesn't capture the sort of face to face, in-a-meetingroom-together sort of feeling. How important that is for productivity, I don't know, I could think of a few usecases like brainstorming and such.