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I give zero fucks about carbon footprint of my search engine. I care about giant barges hauling 9 billion bullshit items from china unleashing untold amounts of

by Exuma 3y ago

I give zero fucks about carbon footprint of my search engine. I care about giant barges hauling 9 billion bullshit items from china unleashing untold amounts of garbage and pollution into the ocean. I also enjoy kagi and have been trying to use it more recently

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
Well said. This is PR nonsense. > Using Kagi Search will benefit the environment as well as you! This reminds me of people who use dark mode then claim they are saving electricity because black uses less energy. Lulz.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > This reminds me of people who use dark mode then claim they are saving electricity because black uses less energy. Lulz. I mean, that's literally true for OLED devices. It's in the bucket of "who cares if you burn 10W on a screen when your appliances are burning multiple kW at once", but it is strictly true.
winter_blue 3y ago
Consumerism is going to be a difficult battle to fight. One small way software engineers can try to fight it though is by trying to reduce electronic waste through having a well-maintained high-quality polished Linux distro for mobile phones, so that we’re no longer forced to suffer a lack of software updates due to a “end of life” determined by the manufacturer.
atleastoptimal 3y ago
Yeah it's an essential part of the "guilt economy" for products to advertise marginal improvements to environmental metrics via their purchase. People want to feel they are better people by using A if it is X% less evil than B, and will pay a premium for A. Something funny about it is that as long as environmentally better products are more expensive, poverty will always be implicitly demonized.
willio58 3y ago
Pollution is pollution. Also, weirdly enough, the recent huge spikes in temperature we’ve seen worldwide has in part been due to regulations put in place to prevent some giant barges from burning the dirtiest fuel possible, preventing huge amounts of sulfur dioxide from blanketing our oceans. That gas actually causes cloud seeding and the lack of it recently has significantly increased global temperatures. Scientists are now scrambling to figure out a less toxic way of emulating exactly the effect those huge barges had to block the suns radiation. Just wanted to throw that in because these conversations are can be more complex than they seem on the surface.
robga 3y ago
I care about both. The existence of major transgressors of laws/regulations/norms/ethics shouldn’t factor into our care for reducing the prevalence of minor transgressors. FWIW, the scope 3 GHG emissions of Alphabet seem to be similar to a major airport like London Heathrow.

by Exuma 3y ago

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago

Well said. This is PR nonsense. > Using Kagi Search will benefit the environment as well as you! This reminds me of people who use dark mode then claim they are saving electricity because black uses less energy. Lulz.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> This reminds me of people who use dark mode then claim they are saving electricity because black uses less energy. Lulz. I mean, that's literally true for OLED devices. It's in the bucket of "who cares if you burn 10W on a screen when your appliances are burning multiple kW at once", but it is strictly true.

winter_blue 3y ago

Consumerism is going to be a difficult battle to fight. One small way software engineers can try to fight it though is by trying to reduce electronic waste through having a well-maintained high-quality polished Linux distro for mobile phones, so that we’re no longer forced to suffer a lack of software updates due to a “end of life” determined by the manufacturer.

atleastoptimal 3y ago

Yeah it's an essential part of the "guilt economy" for products to advertise marginal improvements to environmental metrics via their purchase. People want to feel they are better people by using A if it is X% less evil than B, and will pay a premium for A. Something funny about it is that as long as environmentally better products are more expensive, poverty will always be implicitly demonized.

willio58 3y ago

Pollution is pollution. Also, weirdly enough, the recent huge spikes in temperature we’ve seen worldwide has in part been due to regulations put in place to prevent some giant barges from burning the dirtiest fuel possible, preventing huge amounts of sulfur dioxide from blanketing our oceans. That gas actually causes cloud seeding and the lack of it recently has significantly increased global temperatures. Scientists are now scrambling to figure out a less toxic way of emulating exactly the effect those huge barges had to block the suns radiation. Just wanted to throw that in because these conversations are can be more complex than they seem on the surface.

robga 3y ago

I care about both. The existence of major transgressors of laws/regulations/norms/ethics shouldn’t factor into our care for reducing the prevalence of minor transgressors. FWIW, the scope 3 GHG emissions of Alphabet seem to be similar to a major airport like London Heathrow.