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This is a good article, but what does this have to do with Paul Graham? The title is confusing.

by dshankar 15y ago

michaelbuckbee 15y ago
PG's original company ViaWeb was purchased by Yahoo! and became "Yahoo! Stores" the service being criticized.
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statictype 15y ago
Yahoo Stores was Via Web which was built by pg. There's a thread in some of the joelonsoftware discussion forums where Joel argues that pg's use of continuation-style passing and closures to represent web state made it difficult to use the back button and that it was the wrong thing to do. If I recall, pg also replied on that thread defending his decision. Edit: Possibly relevant: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.280820.15 http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.280820....
- test23452 15y ago
  And even today there is an "Unknown or expired link" problem on Hacker News.
- klochner 15y ago
  relevance extracted: A long time ago I hypothesized that the cause of back button not working in an early version of Yahoo! Stores was because the pages of the wizard were implemented as if they were subroutines, using a feature of Lisp that Paul Graham advertised somewhere as a benefit. So now all of a sudden I'm anti-Paul Graham and anti-Lisp and anti-FP.
  - sparky_z 15y ago
    I'm sure you didn't intend this, but that's actually a very misleading quote out of context. It reads like he's explaining why he's anti-Paul Gram and anti-Lisp and anti-FP. What he actually means is that people are saying he's those things when he isn't.
    - lispisbest 15y ago
      Actually, the context has been deleted and by Joel himself. The OP link to the fogcreek page used to have a lively comments section where Joel was very snippy about Lisp and Paul Graham indeed. He was just being snarky, and didn't sound very smart. I emailed him Paul Graham's lengthy explanation of the usability quirk about the Back button and he modified his previous comments - it's always handy to be the guy who wrote the content management system where the comments are hosted - to include my info and sound less snippy, and essentially took credit for what I showed him. I gather quite a few people remember that discussion, and that's why he's defending myself as being labelled anti-Lisp. He did sound that way, very strongly.
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Mazy 15y ago
PG was a founder of Viaweb, which Yahoo acquired and turned into Yahoo! Store
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This is a good article, but what does this have to do with Paul Graham? The title is confusing.

michaelbuckbee 15y ago

PG's original company ViaWeb was purchased by Yahoo! and became "Yahoo! Stores" the service being criticized.

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statictype 15y ago

Yahoo Stores was Via Web which was built by pg. There's a thread in some of the joelonsoftware discussion forums where Joel argues that pg's use of continuation-style passing and closures to represent web state made it difficult to use the back button and that it was the wrong thing to do. If I recall, pg also replied on that thread defending his decision. Edit: Possibly relevant: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.280820.15 http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.280820....

test23452 15y ago
And even today there is an "Unknown or expired link" problem on Hacker News.
klochner 15y ago
relevance extracted: A long time ago I hypothesized that the cause of back button not working in an early version of Yahoo! Stores was because the pages of the wizard were implemented as if they were subroutines, using a feature of Lisp that Paul Graham advertised somewhere as a benefit. So now all of a sudden I'm anti-Paul Graham and anti-Lisp and anti-FP.
- sparky_z 15y ago
  I'm sure you didn't intend this, but that's actually a very misleading quote out of context. It reads like he's explaining why he's anti-Paul Gram and anti-Lisp and anti-FP. What he actually means is that people are saying he's those things when he isn't.
  - lispisbest 15y ago
    Actually, the context has been deleted and by Joel himself. The OP link to the fogcreek page used to have a lively comments section where Joel was very snippy about Lisp and Paul Graham indeed. He was just being snarky, and didn't sound very smart. I emailed him Paul Graham's lengthy explanation of the usability quirk about the Back button and he modified his previous comments - it's always handy to be the guy who wrote the content management system where the comments are hosted - to include my info and sound less snippy, and essentially took credit for what I showed him. I gather quite a few people remember that discussion, and that's why he's defending myself as being labelled anti-Lisp. He did sound that way, very strongly.
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Mazy 15y ago

PG was a founder of Viaweb, which Yahoo acquired and turned into Yahoo! Store

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