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It's not free for them, it's being taken out of their income to the point their salaries are significantly lower than the US. This is like saying if I pre-order

It's not free for them, it's being taken out of their income to the point their salaries are significantly lower than the US. This is like saying if I pre-order a game and then play it when it comes out I'm getting a free game. I have no idea why this is the default answer whenever this comes up. It seems like you're trying to sway opinions by gaslighting what's really happening. Why is it hard to admit the term free is obviously being misused in this case to present socially funding healthcare as better?

danielmarkbruce 3y ago
The thing the article talks about is: not charging for tuition, ever. It's not some kind of loan program or pay later program. Those programs have been discussed, are in place in certain places (australia for example), but is not what people are talking about here. Unless you are saying "if everyone goes, and everyone pays taxes, it's a wash"? In which case, that's not close to the reality of the situation. As a percentage of the population, attendees of in state public universities is low and always has been. If you don't think that some subset is being subsidized by the general population is good, that's a reasonable argument, but to suggest it's a wash just isn't accurate.
- DrThunder 3y ago
  I'm not talking about the article. I'm referring directly to the comment chain about "free" healthcare. Regardless, taxes are NOT FREE. College will never be free, you can only pass the cost on to someone else. Somewhere, someone in the chain has to pay for it. If someone provides you a service then it gets paid for by someone. If no one pays for it then it's slavery and the people providing the service pay with their own bodies/minds. Obviously you're not suggesting professors and people that run the university not get paid.... so who is paying for it? This isn't a hard concept and yet you keep kicking the can down the road suggesting it's free free free. Where does the money come from?
  - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
    Oh, i missed that re healthcare. You are arguing a semantic issue that practically everyone is aware of. "free" in this context refers to the person receiving the service without paying for it, irrespective of who else is paying for it. Everyone knows it's not great wording.
    - DrThunder 3y ago
      Everyone is not aware of it that's why I'm saying it. It's a deliberate use of the word free to confuse and gaslight people. There are many people out there that are 1 dimensional thinkers and can't think past a few steps. This is why we had a large portion of the population demanding they get their school loans forgiven in the U.S. They're unable to think of the repercussions of totally swamping the economy and the fact that in the end the money will be paid back by them anyway. I agree that socialized healthcare has its advantages but it's not even free for the person receiving service, they're just pre-ordering their service. Just like I said in an above comment, you don't call pre-order game free even though at the moment it comes at you're not paying anything.
      - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
        What's a better way to phrase it concisely?
        DrThunder 3y ago
        Just call it public funded healthcare or socialized healthcare. I'm assuming you believe it's a better option so presenting the positives of this system should be enough. I think cons should be presented as well though, because no system is perfect.

danielmarkbruce 3y ago

The thing the article talks about is: not charging for tuition, ever. It's not some kind of loan program or pay later program. Those programs have been discussed, are in place in certain places (australia for example), but is not what people are talking about here. Unless you are saying "if everyone goes, and everyone pays taxes, it's a wash"? In which case, that's not close to the reality of the situation. As a percentage of the population, attendees of in state public universities is low and always has been. If you don't think that some subset is being subsidized by the general population is good, that's a reasonable argument, but to suggest it's a wash just isn't accurate.

DrThunder 3y ago
I'm not talking about the article. I'm referring directly to the comment chain about "free" healthcare. Regardless, taxes are NOT FREE. College will never be free, you can only pass the cost on to someone else. Somewhere, someone in the chain has to pay for it. If someone provides you a service then it gets paid for by someone. If no one pays for it then it's slavery and the people providing the service pay with their own bodies/minds. Obviously you're not suggesting professors and people that run the university not get paid.... so who is paying for it? This isn't a hard concept and yet you keep kicking the can down the road suggesting it's free free free. Where does the money come from?
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago
  Oh, i missed that re healthcare. You are arguing a semantic issue that practically everyone is aware of. "free" in this context refers to the person receiving the service without paying for it, irrespective of who else is paying for it. Everyone knows it's not great wording.
  - DrThunder 3y ago
    Everyone is not aware of it that's why I'm saying it. It's a deliberate use of the word free to confuse and gaslight people. There are many people out there that are 1 dimensional thinkers and can't think past a few steps. This is why we had a large portion of the population demanding they get their school loans forgiven in the U.S. They're unable to think of the repercussions of totally swamping the economy and the fact that in the end the money will be paid back by them anyway. I agree that socialized healthcare has its advantages but it's not even free for the person receiving service, they're just pre-ordering their service. Just like I said in an above comment, you don't call pre-order game free even though at the moment it comes at you're not paying anything.
    - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
      What's a better way to phrase it concisely?
      - DrThunder 3y ago
        Just call it public funded healthcare or socialized healthcare. I'm assuming you believe it's a better option so presenting the positives of this system should be enough. I think cons should be presented as well though, because no system is perfect.