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> The US spends more on education than the military "The US spent $877 billion on military in 2022, a new report says — more than 10 times federal education sp

> The US spends more on education than the military "The US spent $877 billion on military in 2022, a new report says — more than 10 times federal education spending" https://www.businessinsider.com/us-defense-military-budget-compared-federal-education-spending-2023-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/us-defense-military-budget-c...

mwbajor 3y ago
Can't see the article but I assume they are comparing it to Dept. of education spending as most do. The vast majority of educational spending is at the state and local level which people frequently leave out when making this comparison.
toast0 3y ago
You'd need to consider the state military and education budgets as well.
- latchkey 3y ago
  You think that won't improve the argument?
  - toast0 3y ago
    If the argument is the US spends more on military than education, and we only look at federal numbers, it's an incomplete and misleading accounting. States spend a lot on education, and not a lot on state military. This article claims California's 2022-2023 budget includes $128 Billion for education [1]. For 2018-2019, the California Military Department budget was $233 Million [2]. If other states are similar (and I think they are), state education budgets are significant relative to federal budget and make a difference in comparing the balance of spending; state military budgets are relatively small, but should be included for a more complete accounting regardless. [1] https://edsource.org/2022/californias-new-budget-includes-historic-funding-for-education/674998 https://edsource.org/2022/californias-new-budget-includes-hi... [2] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3743 https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3743
    - latchkey 3y ago
      You're saying that we need to look at both federal and state levels of funding for both education and military. Sure, if that's the only way you can consider things. If you add it all up across the entire US, with your terms, which one gets more funding today, Education or Military? Regardless, this isn't a d/ck size competition. What I'm saying is that we prioritize too much on military and too little on education. The numbers are irrelevant unless you're trying to prove we don't prioritize that way. I could easily argue against that by saying we have the best military on the planet and the dumbest kids [0]. [0] https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statisti...
      - toast0 3y ago
        I don't need to bring better numbers to say your numbers aren't meaningful. I don't have time to find all 53? budgets for the states, territorities, and such, and probably neither do you, that's fine. If your point wasn't to compare sizes, why did you bring your numbers?
        latchkey 3y ago
        > If your point wasn't to compare sizes, why did you bring your numbers? I'm not the one who cares about state funding, you are. It is easy enough to say that at a federal level, we prioritize funding the military over education.
      - colonCapitalDee 3y ago
        We spend about twice as much money on education as we do on the military. Education spending is at 6% of GDP (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-expenditures-by-country https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-exp...), military spending is at 2.8%.

mwbajor 3y ago

Can't see the article but I assume they are comparing it to Dept. of education spending as most do. The vast majority of educational spending is at the state and local level which people frequently leave out when making this comparison.

toast0 3y ago

You'd need to consider the state military and education budgets as well.

latchkey 3y ago
You think that won't improve the argument?
- toast0 3y ago
  If the argument is the US spends more on military than education, and we only look at federal numbers, it's an incomplete and misleading accounting. States spend a lot on education, and not a lot on state military. This article claims California's 2022-2023 budget includes $128 Billion for education [1]. For 2018-2019, the California Military Department budget was $233 Million [2]. If other states are similar (and I think they are), state education budgets are significant relative to federal budget and make a difference in comparing the balance of spending; state military budgets are relatively small, but should be included for a more complete accounting regardless. [1] https://edsource.org/2022/californias-new-budget-includes-historic-funding-for-education/674998 https://edsource.org/2022/californias-new-budget-includes-hi... [2] https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3743 https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3743
  - latchkey 3y ago
    You're saying that we need to look at both federal and state levels of funding for both education and military. Sure, if that's the only way you can consider things. If you add it all up across the entire US, with your terms, which one gets more funding today, Education or Military? Regardless, this isn't a d/ck size competition. What I'm saying is that we prioritize too much on military and too little on education. The numbers are irrelevant unless you're trying to prove we don't prioritize that way. I could easily argue against that by saying we have the best military on the planet and the dumbest kids [0]. [0] https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statistics https://www.crossrivertherapy.com/research/literacy-statisti...
    - toast0 3y ago
      I don't need to bring better numbers to say your numbers aren't meaningful. I don't have time to find all 53? budgets for the states, territorities, and such, and probably neither do you, that's fine. If your point wasn't to compare sizes, why did you bring your numbers?
      - latchkey 3y ago
        > If your point wasn't to compare sizes, why did you bring your numbers? I'm not the one who cares about state funding, you are. It is easy enough to say that at a federal level, we prioritize funding the military over education.
    - colonCapitalDee 3y ago
      We spend about twice as much money on education as we do on the military. Education spending is at 6% of GDP (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-expenditures-by-country https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd/education-exp...), military spending is at 2.8%.