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> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batter

by sofixa 3y ago

> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and inefficient alternative to public transit, as they are in the Las Vegas Loop. > sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide, or give popularity to neo-fascist talking points?

joenot443 3y ago
Walter Issacson (the author who originally broke the news on this story) later clarified that he was mistaken on the timeline. Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. "Hi, Tim. Based on my conversations with Musk, I mistakenly thought the policy to not allow Starlink to be used for an attack on Crimea had been first decided on the night of the Ukrainian attempted sneak attack that night. He now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy." [1] [1] twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700522506363248665
- sofixa 3y ago
  So he actively sabotaged an Ukrainian attack against the Russian navy, just as I initially stated? His excuse is bullshit too > If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation Refusing to help the defender is siding with the offender by allowing them to continue their senseless war of agression and genocide. > Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. And he isn't flirting with fascism just because he helps Russia or mocks Zelensky having to beg for help from other countries to ensure the survival of his own, but for a whole host of other reasons. Just take a scroll through his Twitter timeline and see him getting scolded by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs on migrants' lives, or him commenting, liking, retweeting memes full of racist or otherwise fascist-adjacent dogwhistles. PS: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-... I'm even less inclined to agree with Isaacson's statements now
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    I don't understand how people can exist in such a clear dissonance state (Elon provides Starklink to Ukraine as a means to help Russsia, and does not offer it to Russia), and not step back and think. Like its so clear that your constructed narrative is wrong, but you are so blinded by emotion that you are totally unable to see it. Even worse, you won't even be able to read this comment without assigning it as musk propaganda written by some drooling fan boy. Seriously, the anti-musk people managed to become just as detached as the musk worshippers. If you want to be critical, get a grip, otherwise its easy for musk to hold up his detractors as idiots.
    - sofixa 3y ago
      Why are you decided on making things binary? Either you're anti-musk or musk worshipper, or either musk is full on helping Ukraine or full on helping Russia. Things can, and often are far more nuanced. Like for instance, one can easily say that the Soviet Union was crucial in the war against Germany in WW2, while also being brutal genociding maniacs that committed human rights atrocities everywhere they went. > I don't understand how people can exist in such a clear dissonance state (Elon provides Starklink to Ukraine as a means to help Russsia, and does not offer it to Russia), and not step back and think. What musk did with Starlink regarding the Ukrainian planned attack was direct and active sabotage of an operation, and impeded the Ukrainian war effort. Other things he has done previously, like allowing Starlink access in Ukraine, has helped the war effort. Is that hard to comprehend? Does it have to be one or the other? The fact that he has done some good deeds, for whatever reason, doesn't change the fact that he has done far more bad deeds. His sabotage of public transit initiatives with actively harmful efforts such as the loop and hyperloop has a direct impact. His constant lies and embellishments of technological advancements is also harmful to his customers. His sharing and endorsing fascist and Russian propaganda is also harmful to the Ukrainian war effot.
    - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
      > If you want to be critical, get a grip, otherwise its easy for musk to hold up his detractors as idiots. much in the same way it is easy for a clown to dangle a shiny object in front of small children, and receive cheers and applause from a similarly small minority of people, and similarly be ignored by most other people, who recognize that the clown is a clown.
dotnet00 3y ago
>I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide As usual, a lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. https://www.engadget.com/ukrainian-official-claims-elon-musk-cost-lives-by-refusing-starlink-access-during-a-drone-operation-165926481.html https://www.engadget.com/ukrainian-official-claims-elon-musk...
- sofixa 3y ago
  https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-...

by sofixa 3y ago

joenot443 3y ago

Walter Issacson (the author who originally broke the news on this story) later clarified that he was mistaken on the timeline. Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. "Hi, Tim. Based on my conversations with Musk, I mistakenly thought the policy to not allow Starlink to be used for an attack on Crimea had been first decided on the night of the Ukrainian attempted sneak attack that night. He now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy." [1] [1] twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700522506363248665

sofixa 3y ago
So he actively sabotaged an Ukrainian attack against the Russian navy, just as I initially stated? His excuse is bullshit too > If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation Refusing to help the defender is siding with the offender by allowing them to continue their senseless war of agression and genocide. > Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. And he isn't flirting with fascism just because he helps Russia or mocks Zelensky having to beg for help from other countries to ensure the survival of his own, but for a whole host of other reasons. Just take a scroll through his Twitter timeline and see him getting scolded by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs on migrants' lives, or him commenting, liking, retweeting memes full of racist or otherwise fascist-adjacent dogwhistles. PS: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-... I'm even less inclined to agree with Isaacson's statements now
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  I don't understand how people can exist in such a clear dissonance state (Elon provides Starklink to Ukraine as a means to help Russsia, and does not offer it to Russia), and not step back and think. Like its so clear that your constructed narrative is wrong, but you are so blinded by emotion that you are totally unable to see it. Even worse, you won't even be able to read this comment without assigning it as musk propaganda written by some drooling fan boy. Seriously, the anti-musk people managed to become just as detached as the musk worshippers. If you want to be critical, get a grip, otherwise its easy for musk to hold up his detractors as idiots.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    Why are you decided on making things binary? Either you're anti-musk or musk worshipper, or either musk is full on helping Ukraine or full on helping Russia. Things can, and often are far more nuanced. Like for instance, one can easily say that the Soviet Union was crucial in the war against Germany in WW2, while also being brutal genociding maniacs that committed human rights atrocities everywhere they went. > I don't understand how people can exist in such a clear dissonance state (Elon provides Starklink to Ukraine as a means to help Russsia, and does not offer it to Russia), and not step back and think. What musk did with Starlink regarding the Ukrainian planned attack was direct and active sabotage of an operation, and impeded the Ukrainian war effort. Other things he has done previously, like allowing Starlink access in Ukraine, has helped the war effort. Is that hard to comprehend? Does it have to be one or the other? The fact that he has done some good deeds, for whatever reason, doesn't change the fact that he has done far more bad deeds. His sabotage of public transit initiatives with actively harmful efforts such as the loop and hyperloop has a direct impact. His constant lies and embellishments of technological advancements is also harmful to his customers. His sharing and endorsing fascist and Russian propaganda is also harmful to the Ukrainian war effot.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    > If you want to be critical, get a grip, otherwise its easy for musk to hold up his detractors as idiots. much in the same way it is easy for a clown to dangle a shiny object in front of small children, and receive cheers and applause from a similarly small minority of people, and similarly be ignored by most other people, who recognize that the clown is a clown.

dotnet00 3y ago

>I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide As usual, a lie travels halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. https://www.engadget.com/ukrainian-official-claims-elon-musk-cost-lives-by-refusing-starlink-access-during-a-drone-operation-165926481.html https://www.engadget.com/ukrainian-official-claims-elon-musk...

sofixa 3y ago
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-...