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In fairness, a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1. The iX branding has become a little silly lately as a user who is not hardcore pushing the system co

In fairness, a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1. The iX branding has become a little silly lately as a user who is not hardcore pushing the system could not possibly tell the difference between a 1215u and a 1235u.

LordDragonfang 3y ago
>a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4746vs4754vs4765vs4104/Intel-i3-12300-vs-Intel-i3-1215U-vs-Intel-i5-1235U-vs-Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4746vs4754vs4765vs4104/... 1215U (accounting for the overwhelming majority of "12th gen i3" laptops) is about 75% of the performance of the lowest-tier M1, so I suppose that's in the ballpark. Performance-per-watt is still night and day, though, with both i3 laptop chips ranging from 15W base to 55W turbo, and M1 ranging from 7W to <30W.
- agloe_dreams 3y ago
  75% of an M1 is pretty damn good as when the M1 first came out it was the fastest laptop single core performance in the world.
mnemoni_c 3y ago
i3 is probably still associated with "can barely hold 3+ apps open" era but thats not the case for many years now
- bee_rider 3y ago
  That seems more like a memory/hard drive issue. Ever since the Core 2 product line, intel’s CPUs have all been fine for stuff like office use (browsing, editing files, reading email). Well other than atoms obviously.
  - zxexz 3y ago
    I still use a core 2 duo some days. For basic web browsing (albeit with a pihole on the network) and shelling, it works fine. I think it’s the longest running machine I have. A Thinkpad X200 - not wiped in 13 years (since installing Arch). Truly a frankenstein’s monster of a machine now. Hardware mods are so easy on this thing - I switched to an SSD probably 10 years ago, some RAM upgrades. Upgraded Wi-Fi card a few times (mostly based off mainline kernel driver support). Touchpad a couple times, keyboard at least the same. Keeping Arch running on this machine without wiping everything is the only think keeping my Linux skills sharp in the era of company-issued macs.
    - philsnow 3y ago
      A quality-of-life upgrade you might be interested in: https://www.tindie.com/products/mikepdiy/lenovo-charging-port-type-c-pd-x200t-x201t-x200/ https://www.tindie.com/products/mikepdiy/lenovo-charging-por... I had to replace the charging port in my x220, but I did not use this usb-c one, because I didn't know at the time that it existed. It's a lengthy job (the power port is one of the first parts put into the chassis / last parts to come out) but satisfying.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      That is pretty cool. I installed to an SSD in an enclosure with the hopes that it could become an eternal install that I just bring from machine to machine (perhaps DD-ing over to a new drive as SSDs advance). So far is has gone fine for like 5 or so years, but I haven’t really found the need to upgrade since then, so it is really just living as a single desktop. Actually, this may have inspired me to try plugging it in to another machine tonight just to make sure it hadn’t gotten too dependent on that hardware. What kind of Frankenstein would I be if my monster was constrained to a single body?
      - thomastjeffery 3y ago
        This is the itch that NixOS scratches. One of these days, it will actually have good UX...
        3y ago
- josefresco 3y ago
  I concur. Just swapped an HDD for an m.2 SSD on an older i3 machine and it hauls ass running Windows 11/gaming. Very impressed with the i3.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    Wow, that's good to hear. I've been so heavily biased against touching any i3 stuff from years of struggling with them.
zozbot234 3y ago
Plus most Chromebooks are basically fanless and an i3 will more easily avoid running into thermal limits. It's just the right choice for this kind of usage.

LordDragonfang 3y ago

>a 12th Gen i3 is not massively far from an M1 https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4746vs4754vs4765vs4104/Intel-i3-12300-vs-Intel-i3-1215U-vs-Intel-i5-1235U-vs-Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MHz https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4746vs4754vs4765vs4104/... 1215U (accounting for the overwhelming majority of "12th gen i3" laptops) is about 75% of the performance of the lowest-tier M1, so I suppose that's in the ballpark. Performance-per-watt is still night and day, though, with both i3 laptop chips ranging from 15W base to 55W turbo, and M1 ranging from 7W to <30W.

agloe_dreams 3y ago
75% of an M1 is pretty damn good as when the M1 first came out it was the fastest laptop single core performance in the world.

mnemoni_c 3y ago

i3 is probably still associated with "can barely hold 3+ apps open" era but thats not the case for many years now

bee_rider 3y ago
That seems more like a memory/hard drive issue. Ever since the Core 2 product line, intel’s CPUs have all been fine for stuff like office use (browsing, editing files, reading email). Well other than atoms obviously.
- zxexz 3y ago
  I still use a core 2 duo some days. For basic web browsing (albeit with a pihole on the network) and shelling, it works fine. I think it’s the longest running machine I have. A Thinkpad X200 - not wiped in 13 years (since installing Arch). Truly a frankenstein’s monster of a machine now. Hardware mods are so easy on this thing - I switched to an SSD probably 10 years ago, some RAM upgrades. Upgraded Wi-Fi card a few times (mostly based off mainline kernel driver support). Touchpad a couple times, keyboard at least the same. Keeping Arch running on this machine without wiping everything is the only think keeping my Linux skills sharp in the era of company-issued macs.
  - philsnow 3y ago
    A quality-of-life upgrade you might be interested in: https://www.tindie.com/products/mikepdiy/lenovo-charging-port-type-c-pd-x200t-x201t-x200/ https://www.tindie.com/products/mikepdiy/lenovo-charging-por... I had to replace the charging port in my x220, but I did not use this usb-c one, because I didn't know at the time that it existed. It's a lengthy job (the power port is one of the first parts put into the chassis / last parts to come out) but satisfying.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    That is pretty cool. I installed to an SSD in an enclosure with the hopes that it could become an eternal install that I just bring from machine to machine (perhaps DD-ing over to a new drive as SSDs advance). So far is has gone fine for like 5 or so years, but I haven’t really found the need to upgrade since then, so it is really just living as a single desktop. Actually, this may have inspired me to try plugging it in to another machine tonight just to make sure it hadn’t gotten too dependent on that hardware. What kind of Frankenstein would I be if my monster was constrained to a single body?
    - thomastjeffery 3y ago
      This is the itch that NixOS scratches. One of these days, it will actually have good UX...
      - 3y ago
josefresco 3y ago
I concur. Just swapped an HDD for an m.2 SSD on an older i3 machine and it hauls ass running Windows 11/gaming. Very impressed with the i3.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Wow, that's good to hear. I've been so heavily biased against touching any i3 stuff from years of struggling with them.

zozbot234 3y ago

Plus most Chromebooks are basically fanless and an i3 will more easily avoid running into thermal limits. It's just the right choice for this kind of usage.