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I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's also worth noting the PaleMoon people have stirred a fair amount of controversy in their time. - https://news.ycombin

I'm not trying to cause trouble, but it's also worth noting the PaleMoon people have stirred a fair amount of controversy in their time. - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16318820 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16318820 (they later described this incident as "resistance from the BSD community to adhere to normal free software development practices") - https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/pexate/pale_moon_developers_abuse_mozilla_public_license/ https://www.reddit.com/r/palemoon/comments/pexate/pale_moon_... - https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16504 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=16504

squigz 3y ago
That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork
- superkuh 3y ago
  Luckily the guy behind nearly all of the drama (Tobin) was kicked off the team a year or two ago. It's beeen smooth sailing since.
  - zaphirplane 3y ago
    The maintainer came out swinging and backed the guy that opened the issue. Doesn’t sound like one person is the bad apple
    - superkuh 3y ago
      True enough. It was sort of a LoTR Wormtongue and King Theoden situation. While Tobin was around Moonchild made some terrible choices. It's much better now.
  - squigz 3y ago
    That is good to hear, but still, as another responder pointed out, the primary maintainer didn't handle things much better - although if he had, funnily enough, at least one of the incidents would've been resolved with a lot less reputational damage Also, I find it slightly amusing how often they bring up the legal aspect of these licenses. They're not wrong, of course, but are they really going to hire lawyers to go after someone like Feodor? At most maybe they'll get it removed from Github and other platforms that care to respond to such requests? > You think trademark law is a joke? Personally, yes :)
  - squigz 3y ago
    Also, completely unrelated, but I recognize you from various FOSS IRC channels :) Hello!

squigz 3y ago

That is just completely opposed to the spirit of FOSS. A really sad way to treat contributors like Feodor, but a very effective way of ensuring I'll never use that fork

superkuh 3y ago
Luckily the guy behind nearly all of the drama (Tobin) was kicked off the team a year or two ago. It's beeen smooth sailing since.
- zaphirplane 3y ago
  The maintainer came out swinging and backed the guy that opened the issue. Doesn’t sound like one person is the bad apple
  - superkuh 3y ago
    True enough. It was sort of a LoTR Wormtongue and King Theoden situation. While Tobin was around Moonchild made some terrible choices. It's much better now.
- squigz 3y ago
  That is good to hear, but still, as another responder pointed out, the primary maintainer didn't handle things much better - although if he had, funnily enough, at least one of the incidents would've been resolved with a lot less reputational damage Also, I find it slightly amusing how often they bring up the legal aspect of these licenses. They're not wrong, of course, but are they really going to hire lawyers to go after someone like Feodor? At most maybe they'll get it removed from Github and other platforms that care to respond to such requests? > You think trademark law is a joke? Personally, yes :)
- squigz 3y ago
  Also, completely unrelated, but I recognize you from various FOSS IRC channels :) Hello!