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Honest question. How do young-earth creationists react to these news? We don't have many in Spain, despite being quite a religious country, and I'm always intr

Honest question. How do young-earth creationists react to these news? We don't have many in Spain, despite being quite a religious country, and I'm always intrigued.

waterheater 3y ago
svpk's comment aligns with my own understanding. Also, some young-earth creationists may say that God created the earth with age. If you ask them why God did that or where they find such information in the Bible, they'll either say it's part of God's plan or be silent. Another interesting place where young-earth creationists provide physical theories for biblical events is the Flood. Many ancient cultures have flood myths, some talk of a global deluge in the distant past, and few cultures attempt to derive a physical explanation for the massive flowing of water. Though less popular today, some young-earth creationists interested in physical explanations (who also almost always have some theories about the Flood) hypothesized the existence of a "vapor canopy", which served as the source of the flood waters. Essentially, the vapor canopy was a water shell which surrounded the earth. The floodwaters came when God caused the vapor canopy to collapse. Now, this hypothesis fails to withstand a small amount of physics inquiry; the earth's gravitational forces would naturally collapse the shell, and the water's shell would make the earth's surface too dark to sustain life. Yet, they're not bad people, just misguided. Since we're on this topic, there's one physical theory for a global deluge which is my personal favorite from a scientific standpoint. We know the earth has a crust and mantle. The crust is like a hard shell around the mantle, while the mantle acts like a viscous fluid. The mantle is thought to be magnetic [1]. One interesting and obscure field of research is magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), or the study of the dynamics of magnetic fluids. The geodynamo effect [2] proposes that the earth's magnetic field arises from magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) effects in the mantle. Now, let's say the earth experiences a magnetic pole flip. Presumably, the earth's magnetic field will collapse for some period of time before returning in a reversed configuration. At some point during the flip, the field collapses completely. During that collapse, the MHD forces in the mantle are eliminated. The precise effects are unknown to us, but perhaps the crust then experiences a sudden rotational deceleration. Conservation of momentum says that the earth's oceans will slosh across the surface of the planet. Once the earth's magnetic field returns, the oceans gradually calm again, but much of the earth's surface has now been washed by a tsunami spanning all oceans. From a purely theoretical standpoint, I like the scientific plausibility of this theory to explain the deluge, particularly because there's no need for the magical invention of a water source. However, there's still issues, like the precise cause of the earth's magnetic pole flip. If the pole flip is caused by, say, the Sun, then we need to know why and if the Sun's own electromagnetic field induces the MHD forces in the mantle. (MHD forces cause magnetic fluids to flow, which, short of additional information, would imply the Sun may cause the earth to rotate via MHD, which, according to a quick web search, is not the scientifically-accepted rationale for the earth's rotation.) [1] https://www.geoengineer.org/news/magnetic-field-found-in-earths-mantle https://www.geoengineer.org/news/magnetic-field-found-in-ear... [2] https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978AnRFM..10..435B/abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978AnRFM..10..435B/abstra...
- LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
  Interesting, but IMO 'biblical flooding' by torrential rain from a vapor canopy could easily being caused by less cataclysmic events. Like the double whammy of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%CA%BBapai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%C... end 2021/begin 2022, saturating the atmosphere with large amounts of water vapor, like described here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9285945/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9285945/ One could argue that was responsible for the severity of the recent rain storms all over the world. Now imagine what could happen if that volcanic eruption had been VEI 7. Or some 'smaller' asteroid, not even a dinosaur killer, impacting deep ocean and vaporizing it. (Which propably would cause some tsunamis, too.)
svpk 3y ago
Generally young earth creationists don’t believe modern dating methods are accurate. Explanations for why they wouldn’t be accurate vary. But as an example, in my understanding carbon dating is based on a presumption that atmospheric ratios of stable and unstable carbon isotopes have remained constant over time. But how do we know that to be true? Generally the different kinds of dating methods are also calibrated against one another, so then you get a feedback loop of false conclusions verifying other false conclusions. And then of course you get various points of data that could contradict dating methods. One that was mentioned to me recently is that a plane was found buried under several hundred feet of ice. Presumably if it wasn’t obviously an object from the last century it would have been dated to be much older. So goes the argument. Anyway, I’m not an expert on dating things or young earth creationism but the Tl;dr is that they don’t believe the dating method used to claim it’s 12,000 years old is accurate.

Honest question. How do young-earth creationists react to these news? We don't have many in Spain, despite being quite a religious country, and I'm always intrigued.

waterheater 3y ago

svpk's comment aligns with my own understanding. Also, some young-earth creationists may say that God created the earth with age. If you ask them why God did that or where they find such information in the Bible, they'll either say it's part of God's plan or be silent. Another interesting place where young-earth creationists provide physical theories for biblical events is the Flood. Many ancient cultures have flood myths, some talk of a global deluge in the distant past, and few cultures attempt to derive a physical explanation for the massive flowing of water. Though less popular today, some young-earth creationists interested in physical explanations (who also almost always have some theories about the Flood) hypothesized the existence of a "vapor canopy", which served as the source of the flood waters. Essentially, the vapor canopy was a water shell which surrounded the earth. The floodwaters came when God caused the vapor canopy to collapse. Now, this hypothesis fails to withstand a small amount of physics inquiry; the earth's gravitational forces would naturally collapse the shell, and the water's shell would make the earth's surface too dark to sustain life. Yet, they're not bad people, just misguided. Since we're on this topic, there's one physical theory for a global deluge which is my personal favorite from a scientific standpoint. We know the earth has a crust and mantle. The crust is like a hard shell around the mantle, while the mantle acts like a viscous fluid. The mantle is thought to be magnetic [1]. One interesting and obscure field of research is magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), or the study of the dynamics of magnetic fluids. The geodynamo effect [2] proposes that the earth's magnetic field arises from magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) effects in the mantle. Now, let's say the earth experiences a magnetic pole flip. Presumably, the earth's magnetic field will collapse for some period of time before returning in a reversed configuration. At some point during the flip, the field collapses completely. During that collapse, the MHD forces in the mantle are eliminated. The precise effects are unknown to us, but perhaps the crust then experiences a sudden rotational deceleration. Conservation of momentum says that the earth's oceans will slosh across the surface of the planet. Once the earth's magnetic field returns, the oceans gradually calm again, but much of the earth's surface has now been washed by a tsunami spanning all oceans. From a purely theoretical standpoint, I like the scientific plausibility of this theory to explain the deluge, particularly because there's no need for the magical invention of a water source. However, there's still issues, like the precise cause of the earth's magnetic pole flip. If the pole flip is caused by, say, the Sun, then we need to know why and if the Sun's own electromagnetic field induces the MHD forces in the mantle. (MHD forces cause magnetic fluids to flow, which, short of additional information, would imply the Sun may cause the earth to rotate via MHD, which, according to a quick web search, is not the scientifically-accepted rationale for the earth's rotation.) [1] https://www.geoengineer.org/news/magnetic-field-found-in-earths-mantle https://www.geoengineer.org/news/magnetic-field-found-in-ear... [2] https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978AnRFM..10..435B/abstract https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978AnRFM..10..435B/abstra...

LargoLasskhyfv 3y ago
Interesting, but IMO 'biblical flooding' by torrential rain from a vapor canopy could easily being caused by less cataclysmic events. Like the double whammy of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%CA%BBapai https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%C... end 2021/begin 2022, saturating the atmosphere with large amounts of water vapor, like described here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9285945/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9285945/ One could argue that was responsible for the severity of the recent rain storms all over the world. Now imagine what could happen if that volcanic eruption had been VEI 7. Or some 'smaller' asteroid, not even a dinosaur killer, impacting deep ocean and vaporizing it. (Which propably would cause some tsunamis, too.)

svpk 3y ago

Generally young earth creationists don’t believe modern dating methods are accurate. Explanations for why they wouldn’t be accurate vary. But as an example, in my understanding carbon dating is based on a presumption that atmospheric ratios of stable and unstable carbon isotopes have remained constant over time. But how do we know that to be true? Generally the different kinds of dating methods are also calibrated against one another, so then you get a feedback loop of false conclusions verifying other false conclusions. And then of course you get various points of data that could contradict dating methods. One that was mentioned to me recently is that a plane was found buried under several hundred feet of ice. Presumably if it wasn’t obviously an object from the last century it would have been dated to be much older. So goes the argument. Anyway, I’m not an expert on dating things or young earth creationism but the Tl;dr is that they don’t believe the dating method used to claim it’s 12,000 years old is accurate.