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Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*h

Also: Boeing 15 billion dollars, amazon 11b, intel 8b, ford 7.7b, foxconn 4.8b, etc. This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. And Ford still got more money... Foxconn uses slaves to make a luxury device that's marketed as environmentaly friendly because it now uses the same cable forced on it by the EU that others used for a decade... and it got more than Tesla. Amazon is just an online store and cloud provider, and the way it treats its low level workers is as close to slavery as the law permits it to be, and it still got more etc. I mean you can get away with a post like this on Reddit but you should at least expect HN to have people will enough critical thinking skills to see what your title is suggesting and why what it's suggesting is both wrong when put into context and also politically pushed with how much we see it repeated online.

justapassenger 3y ago
Strong whataboutism in your comment. Is pointing out issues in the company that whole tech world was salivating over for almost a decade now a propaganda? A company who repeatedly lied to capitalize on the positive press?
ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... In your post, you say that don't know. It seems others do, based on the responses to your post. I recommend those who do not know something, consult those who do, in order to learn, and thus know. As for me, it depends on whether you consider toxic narcissism "evil". In any case, elmu's words and actions and behaviors are not those of a person seeking less attention, and for every internet plea of "leave elmu alone!", there is a twitter post by him effectively pleading "look at me!!!1", so the cries of "propaganda" ring pretty hollow.
didntknowya 3y ago
who would've thought a simple fact about tesla would be so triggering. IMO the post was quite neutral so hold off on your bias.
- chaosbolt 3y ago
  It's not triggering, I visit HN everyday and I never see similar posts about Foxconn, Amazon or Boeing. I see them all the time for Tesla.
prepend 3y ago
> Amazon is just an online store and cloud provider, and the way it treats its low level workers is as close to slavery as the law permits it to be I like your call for reason, but I think your Amazon statement is hyperbole. I’m weaning myself off Amazon, but Amazon employees aren’t anywhere close to slavery. It’s a hard job, but seems to compare really well to other competing warehouse or delivery or whatever jobs. I feel like making inaccurate statements detracts from the core of our discussion, why is Amazon getting billions in subsidies? I also think that these subsidies need to have a rate aspect. If a trillion dollar company gets $5B in subsidies that’s very different from a $5B company getting the same. Huge corps are huge and just by existing they are probably maximizing random subsidies so the complaint isn’t against the org, but against the governments that give them.
pazimzadeh 3y ago
The CEO’s of those companies you mentioned don’t rail against federal government spending.
sofixa 3y ago
> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and inefficient alternative to public transit, as they are in the Las Vegas Loop. > sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide, or give popularity to neo-fascist talking points?
- joenot443 3y ago
  Walter Issacson (the author who originally broke the news on this story) later clarified that he was mistaken on the timeline. Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. "Hi, Tim. Based on my conversations with Musk, I mistakenly thought the policy to not allow Starlink to be used for an attack on Crimea had been first decided on the night of the Ukrainian attempted sneak attack that night. He now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy." [1] [1] twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700522506363248665
  - sofixa 3y ago
    So he actively sabotaged an Ukrainian attack against the Russian navy, just as I initially stated? His excuse is bullshit too > If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation Refusing to help the defender is siding with the offender by allowing them to continue their senseless war of agression and genocide. > Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. And he isn't flirting with fascism just because he helps Russia or mocks Zelensky having to beg for help from other countries to ensure the survival of his own, but for a whole host of other reasons. Just take a scroll through his Twitter timeline and see him getting scolded by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs on migrants' lives, or him commenting, liking, retweeting memes full of racist or otherwise fascist-adjacent dogwhistles. PS: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-... I'm even less inclined to agree with Isaacson's statements now
hackideiomat 3y ago
> sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? Yes

justapassenger 3y ago

Strong whataboutism in your comment. Is pointing out issues in the company that whole tech world was salivating over for almost a decade now a propaganda? A company who repeatedly lied to capitalize on the positive press?

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

> This organised propaganda against Tesla needs to stop, sure Musk is an a*hole, is he an evil a*hole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... In your post, you say that don't know. It seems others do, based on the responses to your post. I recommend those who do not know something, consult those who do, in order to learn, and thus know. As for me, it depends on whether you consider toxic narcissism "evil". In any case, elmu's words and actions and behaviors are not those of a person seeking less attention, and for every internet plea of "leave elmu alone!", there is a twitter post by him effectively pleading "look at me!!!1", so the cries of "propaganda" ring pretty hollow.

didntknowya 3y ago

who would've thought a simple fact about tesla would be so triggering. IMO the post was quite neutral so hold off on your bias.

chaosbolt 3y ago
It's not triggering, I visit HN everyday and I never see similar posts about Foxconn, Amazon or Boeing. I see them all the time for Tesla.

prepend 3y ago

> Amazon is just an online store and cloud provider, and the way it treats its low level workers is as close to slavery as the law permits it to be I like your call for reason, but I think your Amazon statement is hyperbole. I’m weaning myself off Amazon, but Amazon employees aren’t anywhere close to slavery. It’s a hard job, but seems to compare really well to other competing warehouse or delivery or whatever jobs. I feel like making inaccurate statements detracts from the core of our discussion, why is Amazon getting billions in subsidies? I also think that these subsidies need to have a rate aspect. If a trillion dollar company gets $5B in subsidies that’s very different from a $5B company getting the same. Huge corps are huge and just by existing they are probably maximizing random subsidies so the complaint isn’t against the org, but against the governments that give them.

pazimzadeh 3y ago

The CEO’s of those companies you mentioned don’t rail against federal government spending.

sofixa 3y ago

> Electric cars are still something beneficial to the sustainability of the car industry and the environment. Hard disagree, they're a sidestep at best (batteries aren't made of magic green recycled pixie dust, the electricity to charge them doesn't come of 100% renewables, usually, tire dust still contributes massively to plastic pollution), detrimental at worst, especially when sold as an extremely shitty and inefficient alternative to public transit, as they are in the Las Vegas Loop. > sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? I don't know... I mean, have you heard Bezos or anyone of his ilk actively sabotage a defensive military campaign thus enabling the continuation of genocide, or give popularity to neo-fascist talking points?

joenot443 3y ago
Walter Issacson (the author who originally broke the news on this story) later clarified that he was mistaken on the timeline. Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. "Hi, Tim. Based on my conversations with Musk, I mistakenly thought the policy to not allow Starlink to be used for an attack on Crimea had been first decided on the night of the Ukrainian attempted sneak attack that night. He now says that the policy had been implemented earlier, but the Ukrainians did not know it, and that night he simply reaffirmed the policy." [1] [1] twitter.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1700522506363248665
- sofixa 3y ago
  So he actively sabotaged an Ukrainian attack against the Russian navy, just as I initially stated? His excuse is bullshit too > If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation Refusing to help the defender is siding with the offender by allowing them to continue their senseless war of agression and genocide. > Calling someone a fascist is a pretty wild accusation, especially when it seems it was motivated by a misunderstanding. And he isn't flirting with fascism just because he helps Russia or mocks Zelensky having to beg for help from other countries to ensure the survival of his own, but for a whole host of other reasons. Just take a scroll through his Twitter timeline and see him getting scolded by the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs on migrants' lives, or him commenting, liking, retweeting memes full of racist or otherwise fascist-adjacent dogwhistles. PS: https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-biography-musk-review https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/1/23895069/walter-isaacson-... I'm even less inclined to agree with Isaacson's statements now

hackideiomat 3y ago

> sure Musk is an ahole, is he an evil ahole like some othe CEOs? Yes