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It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense. There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, an

It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense. There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, and Adobe started prioritizing development for PCs, but still graphic designers were buying Apple because 'it's what creatives use'.

pjmlp 3y ago
You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case. Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices. Not everyone can buy a Bentley.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        And the purpose of a for profit corporation is - to make a profit. Why should Apple care about going after the low end market? Only one Android maker makes any real profit - Samsung. How much of that is due to them also making some of their own components and having differentiated proprietary software that some people must like? Again, we are getting back to the advantage of an integrated solution. Most Android aficionados think that the Pixels are the best Android phones - another integrated product
        pjmlp 3y ago
        At a 300 euro price point, integrated experience from Samsung, Huawei and Xioami are good enough for most folks.
    - happymellon 3y ago
      That's completely made up. I'm in the UK, and working in IT, I can assure you that everyone in my team can afford and iPhone. Only one does. The cashier at the supermarket have them, you can see them in the back pockets of folks stacking shelves. It's not a device that requires people to be wealthy to own, just a desire.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      That's a fantastic random fact that has absolutely no bearing on the point I made.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        It’s not a “fantastic random fact”. It’s not America that has a weird fascination with Apple products. People with money who can afford to buy a better integrated product - choose to buy one. The reason Apple products are more popular in the US is partially because people in the US have higher incomes and in the US, because if 0% interest payment plans and carrier subsidies, they are more affordable. When people can, they buy the integrated product instead of worrying about some theoretical “freedoms” or running Linux on the Apple Pencil
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Yeah, it was a random fact. Had no bearing on the point I made or the discussion with the other poster I was having. Everything you've just said above is nonsense. People in the US have significantly lower incomes on average then most other western countries. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about. At all. Yet you feel the need to insert yourself into every conversation. I won't be replying to you again, and by gods how I wish HN had a block function for people like you.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        The US has the fifth highest income in the world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in... You mean people like me who have facts on their side?
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        You don't have facts, just excessive devotion to Apple. The US might have the 5th highest income, but I said people in the US don't have higher incomes than other western countries on average. The US has a crazy skewed income disparity. It's an extreme minority making high incomes, and it certainly doesn't support your rather baseless argument. No, the reason people in the US have much more of an Apple fixation than other countries is because Apple is seen as an elite/luxury item, and due to cultural reasons everyone wants to be seen as being able to afford/own that, even when there is no truth to it. Same reason some people pay ridiculous amounts for Balenciaga t-shirts. OK, now I'm done.

pjmlp 3y ago

You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case. Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices. Not everyone can buy a Bentley.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      And the purpose of a for profit corporation is - to make a profit. Why should Apple care about going after the low end market? Only one Android maker makes any real profit - Samsung. How much of that is due to them also making some of their own components and having differentiated proprietary software that some people must like? Again, we are getting back to the advantage of an integrated solution. Most Android aficionados think that the Pixels are the best Android phones - another integrated product
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        At a 300 euro price point, integrated experience from Samsung, Huawei and Xioami are good enough for most folks.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    That's completely made up. I'm in the UK, and working in IT, I can assure you that everyone in my team can afford and iPhone. Only one does. The cashier at the supermarket have them, you can see them in the back pockets of folks stacking shelves. It's not a device that requires people to be wealthy to own, just a desire.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    That's a fantastic random fact that has absolutely no bearing on the point I made.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      It’s not a “fantastic random fact”. It’s not America that has a weird fascination with Apple products. People with money who can afford to buy a better integrated product - choose to buy one. The reason Apple products are more popular in the US is partially because people in the US have higher incomes and in the US, because if 0% interest payment plans and carrier subsidies, they are more affordable. When people can, they buy the integrated product instead of worrying about some theoretical “freedoms” or running Linux on the Apple Pencil
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Yeah, it was a random fact. Had no bearing on the point I made or the discussion with the other poster I was having. Everything you've just said above is nonsense. People in the US have significantly lower incomes on average then most other western countries. You really don't seem to know what you're talking about. At all. Yet you feel the need to insert yourself into every conversation. I won't be replying to you again, and by gods how I wish HN had a block function for people like you.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        The US has the fifth highest income in the world https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-in... You mean people like me who have facts on their side?
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        You don't have facts, just excessive devotion to Apple. The US might have the 5th highest income, but I said people in the US don't have higher incomes than other western countries on average. The US has a crazy skewed income disparity. It's an extreme minority making high incomes, and it certainly doesn't support your rather baseless argument. No, the reason people in the US have much more of an Apple fixation than other countries is because Apple is seen as an elite/luxury item, and due to cultural reasons everyone wants to be seen as being able to afford/own that, even when there is no truth to it. Same reason some people pay ridiculous amounts for Balenciaga t-shirts. OK, now I'm done.