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It's always funny to me how some people will go out of their way to avoid acknowledging that historical people may have liked sex or even been queer. My favori

by hnbad 3y ago

It's always funny to me how some people will go out of their way to avoid acknowledging that historical people may have liked sex or even been queer. My favorite example is that of two Roman men apparently living together as a household and having items with very graphic depictions of sexual acts between men. They were obviously two very heterosexual men (maybe brothers) and the depictions of men ravaging each other's buttocks were probably a fertility or sports thing. I may be wrong but I don't believe that the reason that bathroom stalls are frequently adorned with crude sketches of penises is "fertility stuff" either rather than just "lol dicks" and I don't think it's a stretch to extrapolate from this to prehistory. There's a very real possibility that this is just a 12,000 year old "realistic human statue" of some bloke double-palming his stiffy (which according to the article is incidentally near a relief of another bloke presenting his stiffy one-handed with the other hand on his stomach). Yes, a two meters tall statue takes quite a bit of effort and suggests more than one person being involved in the process but that shouldn't be surprising.

dsign 3y ago
:-) It is said[^1] that the God of the Jews ravaged Pompeii because of polarized views on the matter of sexuality. A bit later, they won the war for the heart of Western culture. So, yes, those bros had those statues and depictions for the sake of fertility and sports, and our modern occidental brains[^2] will keep glitching when told otherwise. [^1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP5MoLyWGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP5MoLyWGw [^2] In case you feel tempted to say those Western values have always been universal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_paintings_in_Bhutan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_paintings_in_Bhutan
- hnbad 3y ago
  Your first link is to what seems to be a Christian mythology channel rather than a history channel, so I don't know what that brings to the table. Your second link just emphasizes what I said: weiners don't universally mean "fertility symbol". I don't think the blokes drawing peckers on bathroom stalls do it either as a fertility symbol nor to ward off evil spirits, so this still doesn't address that other motivations can exist. Also Pompeii is an actual place that was "ravaged" by a volcanic eruption, not "the God of the Jews". Unless you want to pin actual natural disasters in actual places in actual recorded history on a god of the gaps, I don't think sexuality had anything to do with the volcano.

by hnbad 3y ago

dsign 3y ago

:-) It is said[^1] that the God of the Jews ravaged Pompeii because of polarized views on the matter of sexuality. A bit later, they won the war for the heart of Western culture. So, yes, those bros had those statues and depictions for the sake of fertility and sports, and our modern occidental brains[^2] will keep glitching when told otherwise. [^1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP5MoLyWGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haP5MoLyWGw [^2] In case you feel tempted to say those Western values have always been universal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_paintings_in_Bhutan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phallus_paintings_in_Bhutan

hnbad 3y ago
Your first link is to what seems to be a Christian mythology channel rather than a history channel, so I don't know what that brings to the table. Your second link just emphasizes what I said: weiners don't universally mean "fertility symbol". I don't think the blokes drawing peckers on bathroom stalls do it either as a fertility symbol nor to ward off evil spirits, so this still doesn't address that other motivations can exist. Also Pompeii is an actual place that was "ravaged" by a volcanic eruption, not "the God of the Jews". Unless you want to pin actual natural disasters in actual places in actual recorded history on a god of the gaps, I don't think sexuality had anything to do with the volcano.