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People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say i

by toxinu 3y ago

People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them and being offended with an Open Source software that just want to say is it developed in Japan. Stop over thinking and just appreciate people work. And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years, so I guess there are some engineers over there.

diogenes4 3y ago
Well, it's not like california is known for making quality products (outside of film, i guess). Japan is.
MikusR 3y ago
By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. By revenue they are in top 4 with games made in 80s and top spot is a Korean game.
- rdlw 3y ago
  > Top 3 games by units sold are american Counting Minecraft and Tetris as American games? I suppose Microsoft bought Minecraft and EA licensed Tetris, but that seems to speak more to the business sense of American publishers than quality of American software development. Eleven out of the twenty best-selling games are Japanese, and 28 out of the top 50.
- lmm 3y ago
  > By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. The top 3 games by units sold were made respectively in Stockholm, Edinburgh and Moscow. How exactly do you figure that makes them "american"?
  - MikusR 3y ago
    The particular mobile version of EA published Tetris was made in Moscow? Also none of those are Japan.
    - lmm 3y ago
      > The particular mobile version of EA published Tetris was made in Moscow? No, but if someone e.g. dubs (and perhaps even recuts) a film for the local market, we would generally still consider it to be "from" the place it was originally made. > Also none of those are Japan. Sure, just trying to puncture the americocentrism a little.
- hackideiomat 3y ago
  Place 4 is from Japan tho
- toxinu 3y ago
  I don't really care and thought about a specific metric. If you have experience in the video game industry, then I think you get my point but I also enjoy arguing about metrics. In this case the "actor" was referring as a role in the industry so more about an aggregation of metrics I guess.
tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
Is there seriously anyone outside of Apple marketing that pays attention to “designed in California”? Much less anyone that “flexes” this attribute? And would it not be just as weird to say “designed in California” in the title of this webpage? I don’t think anyone is questioning Japan having residents that can…fork Firefox. GP was questioning Japan as a mark of software quality, in an attempt to determine the intent behind the messaging. It’a valid question. It’s a valid critique, even. There really is no need to get so defensive.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams.
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  Most Apple products say "Designed by Apple in California".
- Razengan 3y ago
  > Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 Guess which hemisphere was responsible for the Video Game Crash and which one helped the industry recover from it. :)
- toxinu 3y ago
  > Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. Maybe not everybody is flexing but at least people are not complaining about that, like for this web browser. > Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams. So when it's technically bad, it's because the company doesn't have foreigners, when it's good it's because non-Japanese people are working there. Noted.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    There is a significant difference between often and always...
- Razengan 3y ago
  > Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. You have to be from a parallel planet or a limited bubble to not notice that Japanese games have always generally had fewer bugs than Western games, and much less need for patches, ever since arcades and the NES.
pezezin 3y ago
Nobody can't say that Japan isn't a video game powerhouse, that is for sure. But when it comes to any other kind of software...

by toxinu 3y ago

diogenes4 3y ago

Well, it's not like california is known for making quality products (outside of film, i guess). Japan is.

MikusR 3y ago

By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. By revenue they are in top 4 with games made in 80s and top spot is a Korean game.

rdlw 3y ago
> Top 3 games by units sold are american Counting Minecraft and Tetris as American games? I suppose Microsoft bought Minecraft and EA licensed Tetris, but that seems to speak more to the business sense of American publishers than quality of American software development. Eleven out of the twenty best-selling games are Japanese, and 28 out of the top 50.
lmm 3y ago
> By what metric? Top 3 games by units sold are american. The top 3 games by units sold were made respectively in Stockholm, Edinburgh and Moscow. How exactly do you figure that makes them "american"?
- MikusR 3y ago
  The particular mobile version of EA published Tetris was made in Moscow? Also none of those are Japan.
  - lmm 3y ago
    > The particular mobile version of EA published Tetris was made in Moscow? No, but if someone e.g. dubs (and perhaps even recuts) a film for the local market, we would generally still consider it to be "from" the place it was originally made. > Also none of those are Japan. Sure, just trying to puncture the americocentrism a little.
hackideiomat 3y ago
Place 4 is from Japan tho
toxinu 3y ago
I don't really care and thought about a specific metric. If you have experience in the video game industry, then I think you get my point but I also enjoy arguing about metrics. In this case the "actor" was referring as a role in the industry so more about an aggregation of metrics I guess.

tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago

Is there seriously anyone outside of Apple marketing that pays attention to “designed in California”? Much less anyone that “flexes” this attribute? And would it not be just as weird to say “designed in California” in the title of this webpage? I don’t think anyone is questioning Japan having residents that can…fork Firefox. GP was questioning Japan as a mark of software quality, in an attempt to determine the intent behind the messaging. It’a valid question. It’s a valid critique, even. There really is no need to get so defensive.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

> People buying and flexing with stuff that have "Designed in California" engraved on them Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. > And meanwhile, Japan has been the biggest video games actor in the industry for the latest 50 years Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams.

ranger_danger 3y ago
Most Apple products say "Designed by Apple in California".
Razengan 3y ago
> Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983 Guess which hemisphere was responsible for the Video Game Crash and which one helped the industry recover from it. :)
toxinu 3y ago
> Maybe I'm just in the wrong bubble, but I've never seen that. Maybe not everybody is flexing but at least people are not complaining about that, like for this web browser. > Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. Their focus is on the gaming part. Though, it has become a bit better in the last years, but usually because Japanese Companies have diversified into international teams. So when it's technically bad, it's because the company doesn't have foreigners, when it's good it's because non-Japanese people are working there. Noted.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  There is a significant difference between often and always...
Razengan 3y ago
> Japanese games are often notorious bad on the technical details. You have to be from a parallel planet or a limited bubble to not notice that Japanese games have always generally had fewer bugs than Western games, and much less need for patches, ever since arcades and the NES.

pezezin 3y ago

Nobody can't say that Japan isn't a video game powerhouse, that is for sure. But when it comes to any other kind of software...