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> the city will install almost 5,000 new speed signs, adjust 170 traffic lights How is 5000 signs 'slowly' ?

by the-dude 3y ago

meheleventyone 3y ago
Presumably whilst 5000 sounds like a lot it probably isn’t? Each road impacted needing multiple signs and all that.
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mcv 3y ago
5000 signs at once is not slowly, but this isn't new. It wouldn't surprise me if Amsterdam already had 5000 30 km signs before this (I'm trying to find data but I can't find anything). The street I live in is a 30 km zone, as are most other residential streets in the city. They're not starting something new; they're expanding it even further. Probably because of the experience they have acquired with slower speeds over the past decades. When I was a kid (in the 1980s), 50 km/h was standard everywhere in cities and towns. Around that time, protesters started demanding lower speeds for cars with the slogan "50 is the veel" (50 is too much). Ever since, they've been reducing speeds in more and more places (except motorways, which increased from 100 to 120 and then 130).
- the-dude 3y ago
  It wouldn't surprise me either about the 5000 signs already there. Except you are presenting this new 5000 signs as something incremental while at the same time arguing it might be a doubling.
  - mcv 3y ago
    These 5000 signs are absolutely a big move, no doubt about that. I'm just saying it's not something that comes out of nowhere, but it's part of a change that's been going on for decades. They're probably confident enough about the results that it's time to pick up the pace and do more at once. And consistency is also important. Having some streets 30 km/h while similar streets in other places are 50 km/h can be confusing.
rsynnott 3y ago
Let's say the city has 100 maintenance workers (surely it has more than that?) At five a day per person (assuming there are existing posts, this feels on the low side) you'd be done in two weeks.

> the city will install almost 5,000 new speed signs, adjust 170 traffic lights How is 5000 signs 'slowly' ?

meheleventyone 3y ago

Presumably whilst 5000 sounds like a lot it probably isn’t? Each road impacted needing multiple signs and all that.

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mcv 3y ago

5000 signs at once is not slowly, but this isn't new. It wouldn't surprise me if Amsterdam already had 5000 30 km signs before this (I'm trying to find data but I can't find anything). The street I live in is a 30 km zone, as are most other residential streets in the city. They're not starting something new; they're expanding it even further. Probably because of the experience they have acquired with slower speeds over the past decades. When I was a kid (in the 1980s), 50 km/h was standard everywhere in cities and towns. Around that time, protesters started demanding lower speeds for cars with the slogan "50 is the veel" (50 is too much). Ever since, they've been reducing speeds in more and more places (except motorways, which increased from 100 to 120 and then 130).

the-dude 3y ago
It wouldn't surprise me either about the 5000 signs already there. Except you are presenting this new 5000 signs as something incremental while at the same time arguing it might be a doubling.
- mcv 3y ago
  These 5000 signs are absolutely a big move, no doubt about that. I'm just saying it's not something that comes out of nowhere, but it's part of a change that's been going on for decades. They're probably confident enough about the results that it's time to pick up the pace and do more at once. And consistency is also important. Having some streets 30 km/h while similar streets in other places are 50 km/h can be confusing.

rsynnott 3y ago

Let's say the city has 100 maintenance workers (surely it has more than that?) At five a day per person (assuming there are existing posts, this feels on the low side) you'd be done in two weeks.