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Not more than or less than using American or Israeli products.
by ihypopocrite 3y ago
Not more than or less than using American or Israeli products.
- sgt 3y agoComparing America to a nation engaging in an invasion is a bit far fetched. Not saying the US has a clean sheet but it's still a land of freedom.
- sachahjkl 3y agoDo you know about your own country ? It's a perfectly legitimate comparison to make
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- malermeister 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit... It's an entire category.
- deaddodo 3y agoWhen was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? Not in some abstract or vague manner, directly annexing them. Not defending any of the US' wars, but it's a little disingenuous to compare them to the Ukrainian conflict.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>When was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? So invading and bombing other countries is now fine as long as you don't annex them? Good to know that's how far the goalposts have moved.
- siva7 3y agoIt makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. An officer would pull sometimes his weapon to prevent bad things from happening but the officer would never take the suspect as his personal slave like russia.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>It makes more sense if you view america as a police officer. That's an absolutely insane comparison. Police are funded from your taxes to protect you. Countries haven't paid taxes tot he US to come invade/drone strike them. In your country, do police officers from other countries routinely break into your house to tear it up, steal your shit and beat you up for doing nothing? Sounds more like criminals than police.
- stonogo 3y agoPolice in the United States have conducted airstrikes on civilian homes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing
- benterix 3y agoIt's a more nuanced issue. Roméo Dallaire would have to say something about it.
- KSteffensen 3y agoWell, it happens: https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/incident/chinese-serbian-joint-police-patrols-in-key-serbian-cities/ https://securingdemocracy.gmfus.org/incident/chinese-serbian...
- lynx23 3y agoMuch like a police officer would never rape women? The U.S. would like to be named world-police, however, that is mostly wishful thinking.
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- malermeister 3y agoI'm literally answering a comment claiming the US has never done anything of the like. It's not whataboutism to bring up a counterexample in this case and calling it such is nothing less than jingoist propaganda.
- actionfromafar 3y agoAny military force will have such incidents. What separates them is the extent they try to prevent and punish such things. The US is certainly not perfect, but there have been attempts to curb such behaviour. Meanwhile, a UN envoy collects extensive evidence that the torture and murder of Ukrainian (civilian and military) prisoners held by Russia is not only widespread, but shows clear signs of being coordinated in method and promoted from above in command.
- mardifoufs 3y agoBlatant imperialism apologia lol. You lose your entire credibility of being against an invader when you then downplay what the US did. I guess the one million deaths was fine since it was just an oopsie and the Americans didn't mean it.
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- concordDance 3y agoHawaii probably? But is the annexing part the part that really matters or is it the countless dead and wounded civilians?
- lynx23 3y agoIt is rather hypcritical to pretend the actions of the US are any different.
- dna_polymerase 3y ago> Not in some abstract or vague manner, directly annexing them. Do you mean like not calling it an intervention? It's been sometime, but I don't think the Ukrainians care too much about Russia calling it a “special operation”…
- throwaway65546 3y agoHalf of the articles in the category are WWII campaigns.
- malermeister 3y agoWhich were invasions, your point being?
- throwaway65546 3y agoThey are part of a wider context of a war they did not initiate, often in occupied territories, fighting alongside the native People of said territories (eg. Siegfried Line campaign, Invasion of [German occupied] Elba, Allied invasion of [German occupied] Italy, [German occupied] Normandy landings, Operation Overlord, Battle of [German occupied] Marseille.)
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- tazjin 3y agoThis comment could be the Wikipedia example for Poe's Law.
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- gitanovic 3y agoYeah, right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- baz00 3y agoQuite frankly they're all bastards and we should stop using all of them.
- NicoJuicy 3y agoWhen was the last time US tried a land grab? What do you think ethnic Russians abroad are? It's displacing locals with poor rural Russians to try a land grab. Some people literally wake up suddenly within Russia, since Russia is moving borders 100 m. / night.
- squarefoot 3y agoMotivation plays a role here. I'm not defending in any means what the US, Israel and many other countries have done or are doing to others, but today, as we are writing, Russia is probably more motivated to harm western businesses by hitting common people than the US or Israel or any other country, except maybe China to a much lesser extent.
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- markjonsona989 3y agoHow are they hurting western businesses by releasing OSS? We already have LibreOffice. What is the point of your comment?
- dingi 3y agoSure, they are OSS but how do you know what goes into their binaries? Being open source does not imply that the binaries are not backdoored.
- rmbyrro 3y agoWouldn't it be relatively trivial for someone to compile, compare checksums and call them out? It's more likely they'd introduce a security flaw that is hard to detect in the OSS code. If someone finds, they'd just claim it was a security incident which is now fixed (and then they'd move to another masked flaw).
- nicoburns 3y ago> Wouldn't it be relatively trivial for someone to compile, compare checksums and call them out? Generally not. Most software does not have reproducible builds, so the checksums would be unlikely to match.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> Sure, they are OSS but how do you know what goes into their binaries? Being open source does not imply that the binaries are not backdoored. Then build your own binaries. I'm sure the Russian government wouldn't struggle to do this.
- benterix 3y agoI love it when every discussion about Putin's full-scale war in Ukraine gets derailed by "but the USA is doing the same". Suppose that the USA works in the same way, bombing and shelling civilians every day, torturing and raping women and children, launching massive attacks on power plants during winter to freeze the population to death, abducting children from their parents etc. Suppose all this was true. Would it give Russia a moral excuse to do what they are doing?
- gitanovic 3y agoI love when a discussion about a software product derails about the war in Ukraine...
- mardifoufs 3y agoNo the discussion was about boycotting or not using software from even citizens of a country. It wasn't a discussion about the war, it was someone asking since when do we actually have that precedent of boycotting citizens and software made by them too. Even if they operate outside russia. It never was the case before, in any war since the internet was created I guess. It then veered towards people saying that actually, it's different when Americans invade countries.