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- kaliqt 3y agoStill good software, still using it.
- troyvit 3y agoI've been using it for 3 years comrade and I still prefer Russian snooping to Alphabet snooping or Microsoft security lapses. I'd rather get Collabra going via Nextcloud but my laziness stops me.
- alpenbazi 3y agonot in any way
- CSDude 3y agoI don't know, let me use my Cisco switch to browse internet which was disassembled at FBI.
- l-albertovich 3y agoBe sure to put it behind a palo alto firewall which is by no means backdoored by the IDF!
- high_5 3y agoThe article from the link does not provide any evidence to support the statement "The Company however is russian". Does anyone else have any info on this accusation?
- lstamour 3y agoOriginal link (without Translate): https://www.epravda.com.ua/publications/2022/07/6/688888/ https://www.epravda.com.ua/publications/2022/07/6/688888/ Excerpt via Google translate, though the whole thing might be worth a read via Google translate or ChatGPT or whatnot: > The majority of OnlyOffice employees are citizens of Russia who are in this country or hold positions in the Latvian and Russian offices at the same time. > The developers of OnlyOffice in the Russian information space emphasize that the Latvian Ascensio System SIA is a one hundred percent daughter and one hundred percent property of the Russian company NKT. The open database of Lursoft companies registered in Latvia also points to a Russian beneficiary. Google translate: https://www-epravda-com-ua.translate.goog/publications/2022/07/6/688888/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-epravda-com-ua.translate.goog/publications/2022/... via Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/10nqq8m/onlyoffice_is_a_russian_company_with_deep_ties_to/j6b84ga/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/10nqq8m/onlyoffice...
- propogandist1 3y ago[flagged]
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago[flagged]
- hutzlibu 3y agoTrump: "we have the oil" Otherwise this is a pretty meaningless debate, when we are talking about office software.
- throwaway50600 3y agoHe meant in Texas.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y agohttps://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-story-how-trump-kept-oil-syria-and-lost https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/inside-s...
- markjonsona989 3y agoUS is literally occupying oil fields in Syria as we speak.
- ShadowBanThis01 3y agoI absolutely believe in U.S. malfeasance; but if there's all this oil seizure going on, where's the payoff?
- ShadowBanThis01 3y ago<crickets>
- agumonkey 3y agoI had no clue
- redder23 3y agoGlad to see some based people here.
- antiloper 3y agoNot every russian works in the Kremlin.
- mikae1 3y agoNo, but 4 out of 5 Russians dig[1] their dictator[2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra... [2] https://pace.coe.int/en/news/9191/pace-committee-examines-the-legitimacy-and-legality-of-russian-constitutional-amendments-allowing-putin-s-indefinite-presidential-rule https://pace.coe.int/en/news/9191/pace-committee-examines-th...
- NicoJuicy 3y agoOfficial statistics in Russia don't mean anything anymore unfortunately
- oleg_antonyan 3y agoEven worse: it's used as propoganda itself, they export this idea of all russians being united against the west bla-bla-bla. While in reality most people just don't want to think about it, and the state does everything to keep the "normality level" acceptable. This may sound unrealistic to the americans who seems to have their political opinion all the time, but russians just don't care, there're even jokes about "not interested in politics", not even if it threatens their lifes
- walteweiss 3y ago[flagged]
- actionfromafar 3y agoI don't read it as exactly whitewashing Russians. Embracing passivity is also a choice.
- siva7 3y agoThey try hard to whitewash their affiliations to russia for potential customers while still not condemning the war. Jetbrains at least had the courage to do so even though state-owned institutions in germany are checking to cut their ties even with them. I would strictly advise against using their (OnlyOffice) products if you're in a country (eu, america) that participates in the sanctions against russia.
- pulse7 3y ago"I would strictly advise against using their products if you're in a country (eu, america) that participates in the sanctions against russia." What is the exact meaning or "their" here: OnlyOffice or JetBrains?
- siva7 3y agoI can only say so for OnlyOffice and i've edited my comment.
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- auggierose 3y agoJetbrains is Czech, not Russian.
- siva7 3y agoThings get a bit more complicated when the founders are russian and had R&D offices in russia. To my knowledge they claimed to have cut all financial ties to russia and they also positioned themselves publicly against the war.
- omnimus 3y agoWatch out there are russian immigrants founding companies all over the place! Some of them have name Sergei. USA is even trying to attract those russian kids on purpose! What a conspiracy.
- ihypopocrite 3y agoNot more than or less than using American or Israeli products.
- sgt 3y agoComparing America to a nation engaging in an invasion is a bit far fetched. Not saying the US has a clean sheet but it's still a land of freedom.
- sachahjkl 3y agoDo you know about your own country ? It's a perfectly legitimate comparison to make
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- malermeister 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Invasions_by_the_Unit... It's an entire category.
- deaddodo 3y agoWhen was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? Not in some abstract or vague manner, directly annexing them. Not defending any of the US' wars, but it's a little disingenuous to compare them to the Ukrainian conflict.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>When was the last time the US attacked a nation to annex them into their sovereignty? So invading and bombing other countries is now fine as long as you don't annex them? Good to know that's how far the goalposts have moved.
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- arghwhat 3y agoThat post is out of date. As of August, it developed by a Latvian company ultimately owned by a Singaporean holding company (Onlyoffice Capital Group Pte. Ltd). The Russian market is served by a fork called P7-Office. I cannot say if there are still indirect ties to Russia, but the direct ones appear fully severed?
- siva7 3y agoThe information is still correct. Moving your headquarters is a pretty old trick to circumvent state sanctions (while leaving a good chunk of operations in the sanctioned country as an example) and doesn't fly with checking institutions.
- arghwhat 3y agoThe headquarters have always been in Latvia and UK, what has changed is the owner.
- sogjis 3y agoBeneficial is citizen of Russia https://company.lursoft.lv/en/ascensio-system/40103265308 https://company.lursoft.lv/en/ascensio-system/40103265308
- patrakov 3y agoPlease do your own research and answer two simple questions below. How much time (money no object) would it take for you personally to get any citizenship other than your current one? How much time (assuming your current level of income) would it take for you personally to get any citizenship other than your current one? I have done my research. The answer to the first question is 6 months (if advertisements on the black market are true), and the second one is between 5 and 10 years. So please don't blame people based solely on their citizenship.
- arghwhat 3y agoUnless the Singaporean entity uses its funds in a pro-russian manner, I'd consider this fairly isolated. Sanctions against Russia exist to hurt Russian economy and trade to punish and limit their war capacity. If the money stays outside and does not support the war, then I do not see an issue with a Russian citizen living abroad having an indirect controlling stake.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agowhen usa invaded afghanistan to "avenge 9/11" or iraq over false pretenses that became apparent to everyone but no one cares because "muh american exceptionalism", no one went about their way and "avoided american companies". what has a russian company have to do with the war? tomorrow if usa once again starts a war to decimate another country for petrodolalrs, will you go out of your way and start shunning your own country?
- tm-guimaraes 3y ago2 major differences: - the Afghanistan invasion was an actual reaction to a direct attack, not a “you are close to joining an opponent alliance” - in the west people were free to criticize the invasion, while Russians have much to fear if they are anti-war. The first point is more moral, while both wars are ridiculous, they are different scale of ridiculous, but not important from business perspective. This is extremely important from a business perspective, as it shows the state heavy arm on its people and therefore its business. If it controls people’s speech, people’s business are under even more control. So, as a business, you face a much bigger risk depending on some compony from a “controlling state”, then a more free state. This doesn’t mean that USA/the west, doesn’t use it’s private companies, it’s just a difference on scale, and how easy/entrenched that control is. Another example, is that many european PMs lost the next election cycle with major reason being supporting that war effort. Also, people were actually allowed to protest. Checkout how russian protests are handled. Just like even today in eastern eurocountries there are some sons of ex wealthy soviets nicknamed “homo sovietis”, with their soviet themed bars, which are perfectly allowed today, but i wonder what would happened if during their youth they opened a “capitalist/ocidental” bar.
- mardifoufs 3y agoWhen did Afghanistan attack the US? You realize that they did offer to extradite bin Ladin, right? Did Iraq attack the US too? Might as well believe made up Russian propaganda about the Donbass. Also Who cares if the people in the west were free to criticize it? It didn't stop the war, and it has absolutely nothing to do with embargoes and boycotts. Absolutely no one in Iraq cares that Americans still had their free speech when they destroyed their country and set them back 30 years Russia wouldn't suddenly be a fine member of the international community if their government wasn't censoring criticism of the war while still invading Ukraine.
- angra_mainyu 3y agoNone whatsoever, why should it?
- kmac_ 3y agoBecause security, embargos and fact that your customers probably won't like that at all.
- angra_mainyu 3y agoAh, being fined is a very good reason - "overcompliance" exists for a reason.
- keraf 3y agoI'm baffled how posts related to Russian software always get politicized... Can't we just celebrate good free and open source software and leave politics out of it? Don't like who's behind it? Just fork it or don't use it at all! Software is software, people are people and governments are governments. Stop mixing it all together, it's a hypocrites minefield. If you're feeling so righteous about the countries of who writes your software, just throw your computer out of the window.
- skrowl 3y ago[dead]
- zelphirkalt 3y ago> Software is software, people are people and governments are governments. While that is true, it is also true, that people can easily be forced by bad acting governments to do things to the software they write. We don't need to condemn the people in general, but we can still be wary of the product they make, while being in the influence zone of certain governments.
- blagie 3y agoOn the whole, the answer here is "not at all," or if anything, slightly increases the likelihood that I'll use it. 1) There's a difference between a government and people living in that country. If my country does something evil, that doesn't mean you should attack me (personally). The firebombing of Dresden by the allies in WWII is widely considered a war crime since it targeted civilians and killed many little children. 2) With sanctions on this war, I see two valid goals: (1) Regime change (2) Not funding / supporting the war. To be clear: Punishment of people in Russia is not a valid goal for sanctions. 3) With a country doing something evil, simply cutting off ties doesn't have much positive effect (see North Korea). 4) Attacking people simply polarizes them to hate you and supports Putin's message. 5) Even under sanctions, there are constructive ways of engagement. These generally center on communications and cultural engagement. Things like rock-and-roll, Disney, Coca Cola, McDonald's and blue jeans played a pretty significant role in the downfall of the Soviet Union. Trade helped open up China (it's not open, but it's a much freer, nicer place to live than 50 years ago, largely due to people doing business across borders). My general conclusion here: 1) I don't think we should be buying anything from Russia. That provides money to support the war effort. 2) I don't think we should be exporting anything which can in any way be used to help build weapons (e.g. technology, raw materials, etc.). 3) I'm also on the more extreme end of sending more weapons to Ukraine (much more than we have been). On the other hand, with Russia, I am fully in favor of scientific engagement (think blue whales and not radar research), educational engagement, cultural engagement, as well as things like open source. Controversially, I'm also supportive of /selling/ luxury goods to Russia. I don't think it supports the regime in any appreciable way, and a Gucci handbag won't help the war effort. It does bring in Western culture and leads to capital outflow.
- troyvit 3y ago> 1) There's a difference between a government and people living in that country. If my country does something evil, that doesn't mean you should attack me (personally). The firebombing of Dresden by the allies in WWII is widely considered a war crime since it targeted civilians and killed many little children. This. 20 years ago I read an article that spoke of the Iranian peoples' admiration for American people, while the two governments were actively hating each other. It changed everything about how I perceived other countries. We don't have to be our governments.
- SKWR-PLS 3y agoThey could use a little money with how things seem to be going
- Chiba-City 3y ago[dead]
- GuB-42 3y agoTo be fair, I would be more comfortable with Russian open source software that I can run locally over proprietary software from the US or Europe that run on someone else's servers. > We would like to host ONLYOFFICE ourselves. Is that possible? > Yes. It is possible to download and compile the source code. Thereafter you can deploy it on your own server. The source code is listed on GitHub and distributed under GNU Affero General Public License terms. For more details see the Server Version Frequently Asked Questions section. You don't have that with Google Docs or Office 365.
- McDyver 3y agoTrue, but you have a bigger user base and if there's any document exfiltration or compromise, it's more likely other people will notice too. Yes, with open source you can look at the source, but who analyses the whole codebase before compiling anything?
- johngladtj 3y agoWhy would I care?
- DecoySalamander 3y agoZero chance. And I'm glad that I saw this comment before following link and wasting time researching this product. To those who comment on the OSS nature of the product, I would suggest that you ask yourself if you are actually willing to perform security audits of the suite and its updates, or roll the dice and hope that your data doesn't get exfiltrated or corrupted one day. Unlike with software developed in other countries, you can't count on the developers to care about their reputation more than some quick gains. As long as the core of the devteam is in Russia - this is out of their control.
- achrono 3y agoI'm assuming you're using Microsoft Office though -- if such is the case, what then is your take on Microsoft's recent Azure security lapses? Does that, to your mind, tarnish the reputation of American big-tech?
- fmajid 3y agoI'm more concerned that it's written in C#.