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What does "better for eyes" mean? Reading in poor lighting conditions doesn't harm the eyes, that's an unscientific myth from American parenting culture. But e

by p-e-w 3y ago

What does "better for eyes" mean? Reading in poor lighting conditions doesn't harm the eyes, that's an unscientific myth from American parenting culture. But e-ink screens can certainly be comfortably read in bright sunlight, where even the best OLED screens are practically unusable.

LeoPanthera 3y ago
Whatever happened to transflective LCDs? I remember some Windows CE PDA devices had them. They were more visible in bright sunlight, and used a backlight, or sidelight, for use in the dark. I guess they went away because their color fidelity wasn't so great in the dark, but they look absolutely amazing in sunlight.
- orlandohill 3y ago
  Transflective LCDs, a.k.a. RLCDs, are currently being sold. There are two iterations of Sun Vision Display's 32 inch monitor, and Eyemoo recently released an Android tablet with an RLCD sceen. I have the Eyemoo Epaper S1, and an very happy with it, despite a manufacturing flaw that caused a few sparkly dust specs to be between the screen layers. I use it with the built-in frontlight at 10-20% strength which is a good compromise between brightness and comfort. https://www.sunvisiondisplay.com/ https://www.sunvisiondisplay.com/ https://eyemootech.com/ https://eyemootech.com/
- callalex 3y ago
  Thickness is another drawback I think.
- jdietrich 3y ago
  Panasonic used to use them in the Toughbook line, but their newer machines have switched to conventional LCDs with an extremely bright backlight. IMO it's an improvement - the newer LCD looks better in all but the most extreme outdoor lighting conditions.
- microtonal 3y ago
  Still used by GPSr units, like a bunch of Garmin models. Since they need to run for a day or more, permanently using a backlight (or OLED) is not as attractive.
  - lloeki 3y ago
    Or their watches, which is part of what makes them able to have an always on display and hit e.g 20+d on my Fenix 7 (or more if you turn off continuous HR). The comparable Epix has an AMOLED display and has to turn it off to achieve the same duration (always on turns it into ~1w)
- kmarc 3y ago
  Many Garmin smart/sport watches also use it. I have a watch with 7+ days battery time (10+ when I don't exercise / use GPS)
- numpad0 3y ago
  Transflective LCDs make sense when `ambient light level x LCD transmittance^2 x backlight layer reflectivity` is brighter than `brightest white LED x diffuser transmittance x LCD transmittance`. Transmittance for run of the mill LCDs is like 40% so the bar isn't that high. The left part of above formula means white level of transflective LCDs can be as low as 15-20% ambient white. I think what happened was super-bright white LEDs replacing early LEDs and CCFL(Cold-Cathode Fluorescent Light) backlights. iPhone up to 3GS used transflectives, but LCD on 4 and later were transmissive. That was probably the point when cheap sunlight readable backlight became viable.
dcsommer 3y ago
While it may not be reading specifically that is the problem, a lack of light exposure does promote myopia. https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2466239 https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2466239
- p-e-w 3y ago
  > While it may not be reading specifically that is the problem But that's specifically the claim, and it's hogwash. "Straining your eyes" doesn't damage them. Using your eyes in the dark doesn't damage them. Not using them enough in the light may damage them, according to the article you linked.
  - beedeebeedee 3y ago
    > But that's specifically the claim, and it's hogwash. It's not hogwash. The issue is focusing to read in dim light causes the cilary muscle to contract to change the shape of the lens. For children, who are still developing, this can cause the shape of the eye to change while growing and lead to myopia- so the claim is not hogwash or unscientific myth as you previously stated.
    - p-e-w 3y ago
      Evidence?
mkl 3y ago
The idea is much older than that. It's the reason Samuel Pepys stopped writing his famous diary in 1669: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys#After_the_diary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys#After_the_diary

by p-e-w 3y ago

LeoPanthera 3y ago

Whatever happened to transflective LCDs? I remember some Windows CE PDA devices had them. They were more visible in bright sunlight, and used a backlight, or sidelight, for use in the dark. I guess they went away because their color fidelity wasn't so great in the dark, but they look absolutely amazing in sunlight.

orlandohill 3y ago
Transflective LCDs, a.k.a. RLCDs, are currently being sold. There are two iterations of Sun Vision Display's 32 inch monitor, and Eyemoo recently released an Android tablet with an RLCD sceen. I have the Eyemoo Epaper S1, and an very happy with it, despite a manufacturing flaw that caused a few sparkly dust specs to be between the screen layers. I use it with the built-in frontlight at 10-20% strength which is a good compromise between brightness and comfort. https://www.sunvisiondisplay.com/ https://www.sunvisiondisplay.com/ https://eyemootech.com/ https://eyemootech.com/
callalex 3y ago
Thickness is another drawback I think.
jdietrich 3y ago
Panasonic used to use them in the Toughbook line, but their newer machines have switched to conventional LCDs with an extremely bright backlight. IMO it's an improvement - the newer LCD looks better in all but the most extreme outdoor lighting conditions.
microtonal 3y ago
Still used by GPSr units, like a bunch of Garmin models. Since they need to run for a day or more, permanently using a backlight (or OLED) is not as attractive.
- lloeki 3y ago
  Or their watches, which is part of what makes them able to have an always on display and hit e.g 20+d on my Fenix 7 (or more if you turn off continuous HR). The comparable Epix has an AMOLED display and has to turn it off to achieve the same duration (always on turns it into ~1w)
kmarc 3y ago
Many Garmin smart/sport watches also use it. I have a watch with 7+ days battery time (10+ when I don't exercise / use GPS)
numpad0 3y ago
Transflective LCDs make sense when `ambient light level x LCD transmittance^2 x backlight layer reflectivity` is brighter than `brightest white LED x diffuser transmittance x LCD transmittance`. Transmittance for run of the mill LCDs is like 40% so the bar isn't that high. The left part of above formula means white level of transflective LCDs can be as low as 15-20% ambient white. I think what happened was super-bright white LEDs replacing early LEDs and CCFL(Cold-Cathode Fluorescent Light) backlights. iPhone up to 3GS used transflectives, but LCD on 4 and later were transmissive. That was probably the point when cheap sunlight readable backlight became viable.

dcsommer 3y ago

While it may not be reading specifically that is the problem, a lack of light exposure does promote myopia. https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2466239 https://iovs.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2466239

p-e-w 3y ago
> While it may not be reading specifically that is the problem But that's specifically the claim, and it's hogwash. "Straining your eyes" doesn't damage them. Using your eyes in the dark doesn't damage them. Not using them enough in the light may damage them, according to the article you linked.
- beedeebeedee 3y ago
  > But that's specifically the claim, and it's hogwash. It's not hogwash. The issue is focusing to read in dim light causes the cilary muscle to contract to change the shape of the lens. For children, who are still developing, this can cause the shape of the eye to change while growing and lead to myopia- so the claim is not hogwash or unscientific myth as you previously stated.
  - p-e-w 3y ago
    Evidence?

mkl 3y ago

The idea is much older than that. It's the reason Samuel Pepys stopped writing his famous diary in 1669: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys#After_the_diary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pepys#After_the_diary