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You have to go through a few clicks (I can still barely find references) but I found: "China's Bigme, which was recently the first to launch with E Ink's Galle

You have to go through a few clicks (I can still barely find references) but I found: "China's Bigme, which was recently the first to launch with E Ink's Gallery 3 color ePaper technology, has announced a follow up to its S6 Color enote that comes with a Kaleido 3 display and a snappy 12-fps refresh rate." 12. Snappy. On the one hand, yeah, for some uses. But they might want to mention that earlier on...

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Nevermark 3y ago
I got one of Samsung's "The Frame" art TVs with similar tech [0], and am planning on reframing it with an ornate wood frame. [1] I outfitted three large flatscreens in my home with ornate frames. One with dielectric mirror glass as well. They look fantastic as a mirror or a screen. Hiding the hard edge of the TVs under beautiful frames gives an impression of nice furniture instead of tech. Hard to describe, but the rooms feel more old-world and relaxing to be in. [0] https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/ https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/ [1] https://www.pictureframes.com/ornate-black-and-gold-wood-picture-frame-pkg https://www.pictureframes.com/ornate-black-and-gold-wood-pic...
duskwuff 3y ago
12 fps is blindingly fast compared to some of the early color eInk displays which took 20-30 seconds to update -- while wildly cycling through different colors. Still, doesn't mean I'd want to use it as a computer display.
- neltnerb 3y ago
  Oh for sure, I expected 3. I'm amazed it works at all. But for each different purpose it might as well be easily found as a spec. I'd use that for a phone display, to be honest.
- AshamedCaptain 3y ago
  My eInk triton display from _two decades_ ago did around 10 fps. On paper kaleido has more contrast but it is barely noticeable and still crappy overall. There has been no large improvement in eInk for years. And I dont remember any eInk display that took 30 seconds for a refresh, except maybe the large scale (advertisement) ones.
  - duskwuff 3y ago
    > I dont remember any eInk display that took 30 seconds for a refresh This was specifically some of the early multicolor displays which had exceptionally long refreshes. There's a demonstration of a similar display going through a couple of updates here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ12-eW7--M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ12-eW7--M
    - AshamedCaptain 3y ago
      ACEP is not one of the "early" ones, it's actually one of the latest ones!
  - neltnerb 3y ago
    I'm honestly still mystified as to whether you have super insider access or if I'm just confused, but maybe you can explain. From my own memory of when I was able to buy things, from my memory of the state of eInk technology based on very few degrees of separation from the inventors, and from my ability to research online the first commercialized eInk device was the Motorola F3 on 28 November 2006. It was not color. I worked in a lab that had original prototype eInk displays almost exactly two decades ago. None of them were color in any case, it was obvious 20 years ago that the technology would be exceptionally hard to make use color because of the use of distinct pigments and relying on electrostatics. There's just only one kind of electric charge, it's hard to make that selectable. I'm honestly shocked they can hit 13 FPS.
    - AshamedCaptain 3y ago
      You are indeed missing something. In all the screens we are discussing here (triton, kaleido, etc), there are no distinct color pigments. They are just standard "black and white" pigment over a color filter. The result is as terrible as you'd expect (low contrast and 1/3 resolution). Also, a mobile phone as the first eink device? Where did you even find that? The sony readers at the very mininum are much older.

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Nevermark 3y ago

I got one of Samsung's "The Frame" art TVs with similar tech [0], and am planning on reframing it with an ornate wood frame. [1] I outfitted three large flatscreens in my home with ornate frames. One with dielectric mirror glass as well. They look fantastic as a mirror or a screen. Hiding the hard edge of the TVs under beautiful frames gives an impression of nice furniture instead of tech. Hard to describe, but the rooms feel more old-world and relaxing to be in. [0] https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/ https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/ [1] https://www.pictureframes.com/ornate-black-and-gold-wood-picture-frame-pkg https://www.pictureframes.com/ornate-black-and-gold-wood-pic...

duskwuff 3y ago

12 fps is blindingly fast compared to some of the early color eInk displays which took 20-30 seconds to update -- while wildly cycling through different colors. Still, doesn't mean I'd want to use it as a computer display.

neltnerb 3y ago
Oh for sure, I expected 3. I'm amazed it works at all. But for each different purpose it might as well be easily found as a spec. I'd use that for a phone display, to be honest.
AshamedCaptain 3y ago
My eInk triton display from _two decades_ ago did around 10 fps. On paper kaleido has more contrast but it is barely noticeable and still crappy overall. There has been no large improvement in eInk for years. And I dont remember any eInk display that took 30 seconds for a refresh, except maybe the large scale (advertisement) ones.
- duskwuff 3y ago
  > I dont remember any eInk display that took 30 seconds for a refresh This was specifically some of the early multicolor displays which had exceptionally long refreshes. There's a demonstration of a similar display going through a couple of updates here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ12-eW7--M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ12-eW7--M
  - AshamedCaptain 3y ago
    ACEP is not one of the "early" ones, it's actually one of the latest ones!
- neltnerb 3y ago
  I'm honestly still mystified as to whether you have super insider access or if I'm just confused, but maybe you can explain. From my own memory of when I was able to buy things, from my memory of the state of eInk technology based on very few degrees of separation from the inventors, and from my ability to research online the first commercialized eInk device was the Motorola F3 on 28 November 2006. It was not color. I worked in a lab that had original prototype eInk displays almost exactly two decades ago. None of them were color in any case, it was obvious 20 years ago that the technology would be exceptionally hard to make use color because of the use of distinct pigments and relying on electrostatics. There's just only one kind of electric charge, it's hard to make that selectable. I'm honestly shocked they can hit 13 FPS.
  - AshamedCaptain 3y ago
    You are indeed missing something. In all the screens we are discussing here (triton, kaleido, etc), there are no distinct color pigments. They are just standard "black and white" pigment over a color filter. The result is as terrible as you'd expect (low contrast and 1/3 resolution). Also, a mobile phone as the first eink device? Where did you even find that? The sony readers at the very mininum are much older.