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Bolt EV

monero-xmr 3y ago
The car they literally just canceled? https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43699126/gm-cancels-chevy-bolt-and-banks-on-ultium-evs-and-new-battery-plant/ https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43699126/gm-can... I know a guy who owned a Volt for years and it was a total piece of shit.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  One, the Bolt and Volt are different cars. Two, that article is old news as it was a short lived decision that GM reversed https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190569344/chevy-bolt-electric-vehicle-gm-ev https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190569344/chevy-bolt-electri...
  - wlesieutre 3y ago
    They've said two separate things about the Bolt: 1) production of the current version will stop at the end of 2023, and 2) they'll launch a new one sometime. Remains to be seen how long they'll be boltless before the new platform version is available, and they haven't said anything about pricing yet. I'm sure parent commenter is aware the Bolt and Volt are different cars, but it's perfectly valid to look at Chevy's other products to set your expectations for new ones. They don't have a reputation for reliability.
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      Even if Bolt is missing a year or two, they're still available now and they will also be very soon. OP's retort was that it was cancelled, and originally that there existed no affordable EV like this. Of course both of those statements need to be corrected. It is valid to look at Chevy's other products, and the LG battery problems with the Bolt were unfortunate. OP's anecdote about the Volt may be valid, but using the Volt as an example of Chevy's reliability is the worst thing you could do as the reviews for it were phenomenal and punching well above Chevy's typical prowess. That car is a very practical, affordable, emissions saving, plug in hybrid.
      - wlesieutre 3y ago
        We can hope it will be affordable, but given what just happened with the Blazer EV pricing I'm expecting a significant bump from the current pricing. On the Blazer EV they've killed the base trim before the car even comes out, AWD 2LT will start at $56,715, pricing on the non AWD 2LT remains unknown but is probably over $50k. One of the Bolt's revenue streams has been selling emissions credits to other manufacturers, with the Bolt having been the US's best selling non-Tesla EV, and most car manufacturers not having a particularly good fleet of low emissions vehicles here. That's going to start drying up as more manufacturers bring more EVs to market, so the Bolt will need to be priced to be profitable on its own. https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/selling-credits-is-a-lucrative-revenue-stream-for-ev-makers.html https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/selli... If I had to guess, the Equinox will land in the high 30k's (if its 1LT trim makes it to production) and the Bolt will be more like $34k, compared to current pricing starting at $26.5k. Affordable for an EV, but puts the base trim of a Bolt around the top trim of a Prius.
- frob 3y ago
  I know two guys who owned Volts for years and they both found them to be reliable and useful vehicles. Whose anecdotes win here?
- DANmode 3y ago
  Please do tell the hating-the-Volt story. Easy to presume: it was being compared to a car that cost more than $14k USD?

Bolt EV

The car they literally just canceled? https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43699126/gm-cancels-chevy-bolt-and-banks-on-ultium-evs-and-new-battery-plant/ https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a43699126/gm-can... I know a guy who owned a Volt for years and it was a total piece of shit.

reducesuffering 3y ago
One, the Bolt and Volt are different cars. Two, that article is old news as it was a short lived decision that GM reversed https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190569344/chevy-bolt-electric-vehicle-gm-ev https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190569344/chevy-bolt-electri...
- wlesieutre 3y ago
  They've said two separate things about the Bolt: 1) production of the current version will stop at the end of 2023, and 2) they'll launch a new one sometime. Remains to be seen how long they'll be boltless before the new platform version is available, and they haven't said anything about pricing yet. I'm sure parent commenter is aware the Bolt and Volt are different cars, but it's perfectly valid to look at Chevy's other products to set your expectations for new ones. They don't have a reputation for reliability.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    Even if Bolt is missing a year or two, they're still available now and they will also be very soon. OP's retort was that it was cancelled, and originally that there existed no affordable EV like this. Of course both of those statements need to be corrected. It is valid to look at Chevy's other products, and the LG battery problems with the Bolt were unfortunate. OP's anecdote about the Volt may be valid, but using the Volt as an example of Chevy's reliability is the worst thing you could do as the reviews for it were phenomenal and punching well above Chevy's typical prowess. That car is a very practical, affordable, emissions saving, plug in hybrid.
    - wlesieutre 3y ago
      We can hope it will be affordable, but given what just happened with the Blazer EV pricing I'm expecting a significant bump from the current pricing. On the Blazer EV they've killed the base trim before the car even comes out, AWD 2LT will start at $56,715, pricing on the non AWD 2LT remains unknown but is probably over $50k. One of the Bolt's revenue streams has been selling emissions credits to other manufacturers, with the Bolt having been the US's best selling non-Tesla EV, and most car manufacturers not having a particularly good fleet of low emissions vehicles here. That's going to start drying up as more manufacturers bring more EVs to market, so the Bolt will need to be priced to be profitable on its own. https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/selling-credits-is-a-lucrative-revenue-stream-for-ev-makers.html https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/selli... If I had to guess, the Equinox will land in the high 30k's (if its 1LT trim makes it to production) and the Bolt will be more like $34k, compared to current pricing starting at $26.5k. Affordable for an EV, but puts the base trim of a Bolt around the top trim of a Prius.
frob 3y ago
I know two guys who owned Volts for years and they both found them to be reliable and useful vehicles. Whose anecdotes win here?
DANmode 3y ago
Please do tell the hating-the-Volt story. Easy to presume: it was being compared to a car that cost more than $14k USD?