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> Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. Plainly not true. Some are better hardware/quality wise. All are better when it comes to freedom wit

> Windows laptops are worse in every vector than MacBooks. Plainly not true. Some are better hardware/quality wise. All are better when it comes to freedom with what you can actually do with the device.

scarface_74 3y ago
Is there one Windows laptop that can get 14 hours of battery life, fanless and that runs at a decent speed?
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  There are windows laptops that advertise over 20 hours of battery life with top current or last gen Intel and AMD processors.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Care to name a laptop with the performance, size, weight, and battery life running x86 chips like the MacBook Air - and that won’t fry my nuts when on my lap or sound like a 747 from the fans running?
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      The Dell XPS 13 inch series was a great pick, and then there was an Asus series, I think the 'B' series, that weighed less than a macbook air, had much longer battery, and had far more ports. Also could be charged with only a usb c cable, no special adapter. Why would you doubt there are better options? The whole thing about the PC market is it has a much greater diversity of choices. It's silly to think Apple simply makes the best machine for a price point out of all available PC and Mac models.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        All USB C MacBooks have always been able to be charged via USV C or MagSafe for the ones that come with it. Was this the best you could do - worse performance, loud, poor battery life, poor display, poor audio? The very first review I found https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-review https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-rev... I’ll do the bottom line up front In the past, the XPS 13 was a hands-down contender for the best laptop on the market. But the Apple-silicon MacBook has since barrelled onto the scene, and it wipes the floor with most of the ultraportable Windows laptops that cross my desk on a daily basis. This XPS is no exception. Compared to the M2 MacBook Air, battery life is worse. Benchmark performance is worse. Screen, while good, is worse. Port selection is worse. And the rest. So anyway, I’ve been using the regular XPS 13 for the past few weeks. And, like, it’s fine. It’s just fine. It’s worse than its 2020 predecessor in some ways and better in others. It continues to bring some of the best build quality in the 13-inch space. The display is fine. The speakers are fine. There’s an off-purple color option! It’s certainly one of the best Windows laptops you can buy, and it also doesn’t come close to the performance or efficiency that today’s MacBooks can provide, which says a thing or two about the current state of the Windows laptop space. And the resolution is worse Specifically, you’re limited to a 1920 x 1200 60Hz IPS panel A similarly configured M2 MacBook Air is currently selling for $1,699, which makes Dell’s pricing attractive — though the performance benefits Apple delivers for that extra price aren’t insignificant, as we’ll soon discuss. One thing to note about the XPS 13, though — the fans get going very easily. They were audible with a couple Chrome tabs and Slack open Speaking of things that have improved: battery life. I averaged six hours and 42 minutes of consistent use around
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid? Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pound IIRC. There's plenty of other models/companies. The biggest benefit? It's not Apple locking you into their ridiculous ecosystem. But I suspect you're fine with that. Pretty funny in another comment you talk about governments restricting geeks, yet you advocated for the most locked down nannyed device you can hand over money to buy.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    I rather have Windows laptops that can replace a graphics workstation. a gaming PC on the go, or HPC on the go. Markets Apple decided weren't worth their time.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense. There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, and Adobe started prioritizing development for PCs, but still graphic designers were buying Apple because 'it's what creatives use'.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case. Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices. Not everyone can buy a Bentley.

scarface_74 3y ago

Is there one Windows laptop that can get 14 hours of battery life, fanless and that runs at a decent speed?

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
There are windows laptops that advertise over 20 hours of battery life with top current or last gen Intel and AMD processors.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Care to name a laptop with the performance, size, weight, and battery life running x86 chips like the MacBook Air - and that won’t fry my nuts when on my lap or sound like a 747 from the fans running?
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    The Dell XPS 13 inch series was a great pick, and then there was an Asus series, I think the 'B' series, that weighed less than a macbook air, had much longer battery, and had far more ports. Also could be charged with only a usb c cable, no special adapter. Why would you doubt there are better options? The whole thing about the PC market is it has a much greater diversity of choices. It's silly to think Apple simply makes the best machine for a price point out of all available PC and Mac models.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      All USB C MacBooks have always been able to be charged via USV C or MagSafe for the ones that come with it. Was this the best you could do - worse performance, loud, poor battery life, poor display, poor audio? The very first review I found https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-review https://www.theverge.com/23674395/dell-xps-13-2022-intel-rev... I’ll do the bottom line up front In the past, the XPS 13 was a hands-down contender for the best laptop on the market. But the Apple-silicon MacBook has since barrelled onto the scene, and it wipes the floor with most of the ultraportable Windows laptops that cross my desk on a daily basis. This XPS is no exception. Compared to the M2 MacBook Air, battery life is worse. Benchmark performance is worse. Screen, while good, is worse. Port selection is worse. And the rest. So anyway, I’ve been using the regular XPS 13 for the past few weeks. And, like, it’s fine. It’s just fine. It’s worse than its 2020 predecessor in some ways and better in others. It continues to bring some of the best build quality in the 13-inch space. The display is fine. The speakers are fine. There’s an off-purple color option! It’s certainly one of the best Windows laptops you can buy, and it also doesn’t come close to the performance or efficiency that today’s MacBooks can provide, which says a thing or two about the current state of the Windows laptop space. And the resolution is worse Specifically, you’re limited to a 1920 x 1200 60Hz IPS panel A similarly configured M2 MacBook Air is currently selling for $1,699, which makes Dell’s pricing attractive — though the performance benefits Apple delivers for that extra price aren’t insignificant, as we’ll soon discuss. One thing to note about the XPS 13, though — the fans get going very easily. They were audible with a couple Chrome tabs and Slack open Speaking of things that have improved: battery life. I averaged six hours and 42 minutes of consistent use around
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        You realize there are multiple XPS laptop models, right? Not to mention you are overexaggerating the alleged negative aspects quite a lot . Are you really that addicted to the Apple kool-aid? Go look at some of the Asus models than if you think an XPS can't compete. Weighed less than a macbook air, more port including ethernet (via a HDMI port), something like 21 hours of battery life, weight was slightly under a pound IIRC. There's plenty of other models/companies. The biggest benefit? It's not Apple locking you into their ridiculous ecosystem. But I suspect you're fine with that. Pretty funny in another comment you talk about governments restricting geeks, yet you advocated for the most locked down nannyed device you can hand over money to buy.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  I rather have Windows laptops that can replace a graphics workstation. a gaming PC on the go, or HPC on the go. Markets Apple decided weren't worth their time.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    It's amazing how many people are just loyal to Apple even when it doesn't make sense. There was a time when PCs started having vastly better graphics cards, and Adobe started prioritizing development for PCs, but still graphic designers were buying Apple because 'it's what creatives use'.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      You see this on the last bastion of people still hoping that Mac Pro desktop makes a proper comeback, instead of a Mac Studio in a bigger case. Creatives buying Apple has always been mostly a North American phenomen, in Europe Apple only started being market relevant after the NeXT reverse acquisition, with iPod and iMacs rescuing it from insolvency.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Yeah the US has a weird fascination with Apple in particular. Just look at iphone users looking down on Android users because their text messages come as green instead of blue.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        In every single market, the people who an afford iPhones, overwhelmingly by them. You see the same in the EU and especially China.
        pjmlp 3y ago
        That is why they manage 20% world market share on mobile devices, and about 10% across desktop and laptop devices. Not everyone can buy a Bentley.