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You should know if work is not getting done. If you need to spy on your employees, you have a problem with executive management.

TheSoftwareGuy 3y ago
Presumably these companies would like to follow up with finding out __why__ work is not getting done. Not that I agree, but these companies seem to think that coming to the office increases productivity.
- olliej 3y ago
  They’re not interested in work not being done. They’re interested in you being in the office and at your computer for a prescribed amount of time. Actual productivity is not something they want to measure here, what they want is control.
  - xyzelement 3y ago
    // Actual productivity is not something they want to measure here, what they want is control This doesn't seem to be a logical conclusion. When you hire someone, do you care more about what they are delivering for you or do you just get some weird kicks?
    - olliej 3y ago
      If that were the case they would be measuring productivity, which we know they are not. Similarly if you actually cared about productivity you would never consider any kind of open or semi-open plan office, yet these are exactly the companies that do just that.
      - redditor98654 3y ago
        They way I see it is that execs have no idea how to measure productivity meaningfully but they believe as long as people are coming into the office more things will get done compared to employees working from home. They think, “oh if you have 10 mins for doing the laundry during a work day, if you come into the office you won’t be doing that in office and perhaps use that 10 mins everyday to produce some additional non-zero value to the company”. In their minds those 10-15 mins from everyone add up. I am not agreeing but that is what it seems to me.
NikolaNovak 3y ago
1. I agree 2. To reiterate, I agree :-) 3. That being said, the only places where I've seen it actually used is where an employee is fired for a cause, fights it, and then company retrieves logs and hammers them with proof. 4. But still I agree - it's a nasty sleezy slippery path. I am a manager of people and managers and have zero desire for anything like that.
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TheSoftwareGuy 3y ago

Presumably these companies would like to follow up with finding out __why__ work is not getting done. Not that I agree, but these companies seem to think that coming to the office increases productivity.

olliej 3y ago
They’re not interested in work not being done. They’re interested in you being in the office and at your computer for a prescribed amount of time. Actual productivity is not something they want to measure here, what they want is control.
- xyzelement 3y ago
  // Actual productivity is not something they want to measure here, what they want is control This doesn't seem to be a logical conclusion. When you hire someone, do you care more about what they are delivering for you or do you just get some weird kicks?
  - olliej 3y ago
    If that were the case they would be measuring productivity, which we know they are not. Similarly if you actually cared about productivity you would never consider any kind of open or semi-open plan office, yet these are exactly the companies that do just that.
    - redditor98654 3y ago
      They way I see it is that execs have no idea how to measure productivity meaningfully but they believe as long as people are coming into the office more things will get done compared to employees working from home. They think, “oh if you have 10 mins for doing the laundry during a work day, if you come into the office you won’t be doing that in office and perhaps use that 10 mins everyday to produce some additional non-zero value to the company”. In their minds those 10-15 mins from everyone add up. I am not agreeing but that is what it seems to me.

NikolaNovak 3y ago

1. I agree 2. To reiterate, I agree :-) 3. That being said, the only places where I've seen it actually used is where an employee is fired for a cause, fights it, and then company retrieves logs and hammers them with proof. 4. But still I agree - it's a nasty sleezy slippery path. I am a manager of people and managers and have zero desire for anything like that.

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